Thread: New Taidea Proyan glass series... Anyone did anyone else try these?

Originally Posted by mattnat

Thanks Peter for the detailed reply
I had another go with the 15k , went through quite a few cycles of pencil and lapping. With weight of razor strokes the stone seems to self slurry... I cleaned it with my hand and water after lapping and made Shure to finish lapping with lots of water and low pressure. Then within a few laps the water in front of the razor does from milky to creamy then the feel gets inconsistent again . Like a super stone that I lapped with a 1 k glass stone. Or a hair I can't seem to find.

I tried honing under running water because lapping seemed to work better that way and the feel was believable as finishing hone. Similar to super Stone 12 smooth. With leading edge strokes as lite as I could the scratch pattern on the bevel had an interesting hint of blue and looked better polished. I haven't stropped it yet and it is at a stage of tree topping middle resistance. Maybe it would be good after pasted fabric and leather?

When people talk about a finishing hone having different qualities than another are they assuming no pasted strops?
Matt

Hi Mattnat

If the stone is self slurrying with weight of the razor only, I'd say there's something wrong with the stone as the two I have are rather hard. I am testing these stone at the moment, eventually to write an extensive review for the forum and I must say I have an unusual experience with them too: When I started to write down my findings about a month ago, I thought the stone were quite soft, maybe a tad harder than the naniwa ss. To test durability, I lap them after each honing and I must say that I do not find them soft at all anymore. It feels as if these stones get harder with time, or with being lapped down... Since when do you have these stones and where did you buy them? According to Taidea, recent stones should be ok, but some badges had problems in the past.

As to the edge on your razor: I seems ready to be stropped on plain leather only to me! Some people prefer to keep using pastes after high quality finishers and I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but if you want to learn how good or bad your stone is, you should first shave off it without pastes.

Peter.

What I found was that the jump between 8k (Norton) and 15k (proyan) seemed too big and the 15k did not perform well after the 8k but after 12k (sharpton) it performed quite well and all the prickly, overhoned feeling 12k sharptons are notorious for went away. I, however did find it noticably sharper but that was based on the shave and not on tests lol like the hht or others so that may be a little subjective. I have used it with slurry just about every time as mine came from Amazon with a little stone that looked like a small piece of a flattening stone. It seems to be sic as it is very hard as is my 15k. What surprised me most was how quickly it cuts for a high grit stone. Honing with slurry the slurry starts to show very dark swarf after only one or.two strokes and keeps getting darker with every lap.

Hay all I got it from Alibaba. I wonder if I should take it outside and lap half of it down on the sidewalk with a hose To see if it gets better. I am interested in a harder hone.
Funny thing that the synthetic hone with the most natural stone feel seems to be a bit inconsistent stone to stone.
Matt
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Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

What I found was that the jump between 8k (Norton) and 15k (proyan) seemed too big and the 15k did not perform well after the 8k but after 12k (sharpton) it performed quite well and all the prickly, overhoned feeling 12k sharptons are notorious for went away. I, however did find it noticably sharper but that was based on the shave and not on tests lol like the hht or others so that may be a little subjective. I have used it with slurry just about every time as mine came from Amazon with a little stone that looked like a small piece of a flattening stone. It seems to be sic as it is very hard as is my 15k. What surprised me most was how quickly it cuts for a high grit stone. Honing with slurry the slurry starts to show very dark swarf after only one or.two strokes and keeps getting darker with every lap.

Mine was doing that even without slurry, as single pass would leave visible black swarf on the stone and can easily removed by simply swipe my fingers over it. Unfortunately it crazed pretty badly.

Originally Posted by mattnat

Hay all I got it from Alibaba. I wonder if I should take it outside and lap half of it down on the sidewalk with a hose To see if it gets better. I am interested in a harder hone.
Funny thing that the synthetic hone with the most natural stone feel seems to be a bit inconsistent stone to stone.
Matt
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I got mine from AliExpress. Contacted the seller and they only offered a $10 discount. Emailed Taidea directly as Peter did, but did not hear from them since then. I take that as a lottery and obviously my shot was burnt.

Just pulled the trigger to buy a Shapton Pro 30K as I really like the a few I have at hand. I suspect it's going to be a $400 paperweight as I can already get superb shaving on edge off Shapton Pro 12K followed by a CNAT.

hay all

update with the 15k. i tried lapping again with the stone . was i using worm water to lap before? I tried lapping with running water and minimal pressure to stone, avoiding sticking the plate to the stone; the auto slurry effect with a razor has stoped. the feel is no longer gritty. i'm going to continue working with the stone to figure out what place it has with the ss12

sorry therapy for not taking advice about stropping on clean leather directly after this hone. I will try it next time. i'm also experimenting with pasted balsa and .25 diamond so looked there to get the edge past my usual benchmarks. the 2 day shave was ok but that is a usually the case for me.

thanks

Originally Posted by mattnat

hay all

update with the 15k. i tried lapping again with the stone . was i using worm water to lap before? I tried lapping with running water and minimal pressure to stone, avoiding sticking the plate to the stone; the auto slurry effect with a razor has stoped. the feel is no longer gritty. i'm going to continue working with the stone to figure out what place it has with the ss12

sorry therapy for not taking advice about stropping on clean leather directly after this hone. I will try it next time. i'm also experimenting with pasted balsa and .25 diamond so looked there to get the edge past my usual benchmarks. the 2 day shave was ok but that is a usually the case for me.

thanks

I tried 0.1 diamond on leather, it turned out little benefit and led to lots of micro chips after a month or two. Most likely I had done too many laps. Haven't tried with balsa though, but I can achieve the same with naturals followed by plain leather anyway. YMMV.

Mrjin

I would be very surprised if your shot was burnt... It's holliday time too, so my best guess is that the person responsible for answering mails in English language is not there at the moment. As I know my mails get through, I will send them a mail too about this question, just to make sure it's not a firewall related problem. I remember the first mails I sent them, I was behind a VPN and had problems reaching them too.

Congratulations on your 30K, I'm sure it will be a fantastic stone!

Peter.

Originally Posted by mattnat

hay all

update with the 15k. i tried lapping again with the stone . was i using worm water to lap before? I tried lapping with running water and minimal pressure to stone, avoiding sticking the plate to the stone; the auto slurry effect with a razor has stoped. the feel is no longer gritty. i'm going to continue working with the stone to figure out what place it has with the ss12

sorry therapy for not taking advice about stropping on clean leather directly after this hone. I will try it next time. i'm also experimenting with pasted balsa and .25 diamond so looked there to get the edge past my usual benchmarks. the 2 day shave was ok but that is a usually the case for me.

thanks

Hi mattnatt

One thing: you should NEVER use warm water on these nor on any other synthetic stones, as it might cause damage.

Kind regards, Peter.

Just noticed yesterday that mine is now crazing. They are very minor cracks but still there. So far it has not affected the function.