Thread: The REAL holy grail of hones?

Originally Posted by English

Do you know, we polish the edes so fine nowdays with a 50,000 grit paste that maybe, just maybe, the sticky edge........ whiuch is so desirable........... can be reached with a "one pass" on any 10 to 15K hone ..... maybe.

Or maybe the carrot chopping hone wrapped in gold, is the answer to our prayers.

I'll let someone else buy one. Forgive me, but I'm fed up with hype. I'll wait for the numbered limited edition wrapped in
No disrespect, Chris.

None taken. I understand your perspective and share it to a degree. I and others that like to try many different stones and hones after being at this awhile also know that can be possible to maintain a shaving edge using a $10 barber hone, newspaper, chrome ox, etc. IMO it's indisputable that a single coticule stone could provide a person with all the stone they'd need to shave well. However....

I don't believe there's ONE STONE of any grit range that would lay all other stones to waste with an incomparable and marked difference so amazing that a coticule, Thuringian, 16K Shapton, etc. would seem like crap in comparison. I'm not looking for said stone. Some like to taste fine wines. I like to try fine stones and enjoy comparing their subtleties for my own personal use.

Chris L

Originally Posted by Chris L

I don't believe there's ONE STONE of any grit range that would lay all other stones to waste with an incomparable and marked difference so amazing that a coticule, Thuringian, 16K Shapton, etc. would seem like crap in comparison. I'm not looking for said stone. Some like to taste fine wines. I like to try fine stones and enjoy comparing their subtleties for my own personal use.Chris L

Couldn't have put it better myself. The same is true of razors. One is enough but variety is the spice of life.

keep in mind that sword making and finishing have very different requirements than honing a straight razor. A classic sword maker uses literally an arsenal of stones and other items to finish off a sword. Also there is a sizeable group of people who collect Japanese Finishing Stones in Japan and many go for thousands of dollars based on the patterns on the stones and their pedigree.

The particular reviewer who has lauded so much praise to the name of the Naniwa Chocera 10k is none other than Ken123, from knifeforums and foodie forums. The guys are one and the same. Both glowing reviews come from only one source. More sources of info would be best.

If you want to see a picture of Ken, look no further than the thread here about the recent california meet. DwarvenChef brought his friend Ken along, and that's the guy. Perhaps DwarvenChef could head over to Ken's and hone a few razors on the Naniwa Chocera and the shapton 16 k and give a comparison.

I'll hold off on my holy grail attributions until I see many more reviews claiming such. Until then, I'll hang on to my 300 bucks.

Originally Posted by Ben325e

Perhaps DwarvenChef could head over to Ken's and hone a few razors on the Naniwa Chocera and the shapton 16 k and give a comparison.

Excellent idea, Ben. Can you get a hold of him and see if he can hone a few razors on the Chocera? We'd be waiting with baited breath for any opinions.

Chris L

sorry for responding so late... been at the in-laws showing off our new little one.

I'll pm dwarven chef on knifeforums (he seems to be more of a regular poster there...) and see what the response is.

Just curious to know whether anyone has seen the chosera stones being sold by rasurpur and knows if they are the same as the cho cera stones being discussed here.
I've been interested in these stones for quite some time, but after one too many unanswered e-mails from certain sellers (who shall remain nameless) reputed to be able to get these particular stones I gave up.
Rasurpur describes the stones as new, not just new to them but newly available (or at least that's how I understood it.) They also say that the stones are designed to be used dry, and I've not seen that before in any discussion that I have read about these particular stones. Also, the stones seem much cheaper from Rasurpur at 110 Euro's for the 10k versus $269+ in the US , I've never known that to happen before in the EU, even with the crappy exchange rate and murmurings of global financial meltdown
Finally there is the issue of spelling Cho Cera versus chosera at Rasurpur.
So, can anyone clue me in?
Kind regards,
Alex