Thread: Escher advertising ?

Thanks English. In the past I read at least one post on the forum that suggested the order in which to use the Escher series. In speaking with a collector of Escher stones the axiom that all natural stones are individual was pointed out. So you have to try the stone. I accept that but my intuition tells me that the Escher company printed up those labels as a selling point and must have given an explanation for them. I am assuming that this must have been detailed in catalogs of the time offering hones to barbers, tool and die makers, or even rabbis. I am hoping that there is a forum member out there with one of these who can shed some light on this.

I do not know for sure but am willing to speculate that the color does make a difference and the stones were labeled accordingly, why else label them. The color would probably indicate cutting ability, one color having more the next color having less. I would like to see either an explanation in some old catalog or sales advertisement, the color had to mean something other than color, thus the labels.

Somewhere, in the land of Deutsch, there undoubtedly has to be a vintage catalog which includes descriptions of Eschers.

Can anyone who is familiar with the language ask one of the German razor sites about this?

I don't sprech that language.

Chris L

Originally Posted by Chris L

Somewhere, in the land of Deutsch, there undoubtedly has to be a vintage catalog which includes descriptions of Eschers.

Can anyone who is familiar with the language ask one of the German razor sites about this?

I don't sprech that language.

Chris L

A BIG +1! Thanks Chris for reviving this thread. If you observe my avatar you will see four Eschers, a dark blue, blue/green, light green and yellow/green. All of the stones are labeled so there is no doubt as to what they are.

I stuck my foot deep in my mouth in another thread when I said that the dark blue was equivalent to a 4K. I had just gotten the blue and made the statement on the basis of the Belgian blue. A different animal. Since then using the hones I am thinking that my particular dark blue Escher may be the hardest of the four stones.

I will eventually figure out where I think they all fit in the scheme of things but it appears that they are all finishing stones. It would be nice to find some sort of printed matter put out by Escher describing the stones and what their explanation might be.

Originally Posted by nun2sharp

I do not know for sure but am willing to speculate that the color does make a difference and the stones were labeled accordingly, why else label them. The color would probably indicate cutting ability, one color having more the next color having less. I would like to see either an explanation in some old catalog or sales advertisement, the color had to mean something other than color, thus the labels.

The only reason I'm skeptical of this is that the instructions – for blue, yellow-green, all the colors – is identical. Nowhere is any sequence alluded to. And of all the companies to market thuringians only Escher & Co. graded their stones.

The old geological encyclopedia entries on "German waterstones" mention in passing that the "brownish" stones – which I take to refer to what we call yellow-green – are generally considered superior. I tend to think it's basically the equivalent of the quality grades on coticules (as opposed to say, blue vs. yellow Belgians or the distinct grits of various Scotch hones). I've had eschers of various colors, and frankly haven't seen much variation in the quality of the edges.

Very interesting, Dylandog.

I have a "Fox" brand razor hone that is Thuringian and is advertised on the paper label in the box as the "best in the world" (marketing claim of course). But, it looks nothing like the other Thuringians I have or have seen. It is in fact brownish purple with figure and NOTHING even remotely close in color to a YG Escher or any other color Escher for that matter.

Chris L

Originally Posted by Chris L

Very interesting, Dylandog.

I have a "Fox" brand razor hone that is Thuringian and is advertised on the paper label in the box as the "best in the world" (marketing claim of course). But, it looks nothing like the other Thuringians I have or have seen. It is in fact brownish purple with figure and NOTHING even remotely close in color to a YG Escher or any other color Escher for that matter.

Chris L

Wow, that is interesting indeed. I'd always assumed it was just the yellow-green being referred to...

How are the edges off that Fox hone?

Originally Posted by JimmyH-AD

I am thinking that my particular dark blue Escher may be the hardest of the four stones.

Interesting, Jimmy. I did wonder why you thought the dark blue was so coarse. The one I scored recently if you remember, which also has bottom and end label very nicely intact is definitely a fine finishing stone and is also a hard stone like you've found.

In my life right now, I have almost zero time to hone and try the stones I own. Or, I should say I need to spend less time actually on SRP and more time in "Razorville" as my wife calls my area of the basement I've set up. I have no excuse for that.

Blaireau has commented something to the effect that in his opinion, the dark blue Eschers are the lowest grade Escher and therefore the least of the Escher performers. If I got his opinions of that stone wrong, I hope he can correct me here. I can not comment on the dark blue since I have yet to put it through the paces, but by feel (which has been a good indicator to date for me), it seems to be a top notch stone.

Originally Posted by dylandog

How are the edges off that Fox hone?

See comment above

Must make time to hone!!!!!!

Chris L

Chris, I don't want to put words in Blaireau's mouth and then quote him but....... in conversations with him I think his assessment is based on the dark blue being the least collectible. I may be wrong. Blaireau values the yellow/green most highly and that is the most collectible. He told me he had a Fox that was definitely a yellow/green and that it was a great stone.

I have inquired of some of the heavy hitters in honing and stone collecting and they pretty much agreed that all of the Eschers are finishing stones. As a matter of fact Lynn has used all of them and favors the blue/green which he still uses.

Like you I need to do more honing with them to come to a conclusion. I have so many stones that I tend to neglect focusing on the Eschers but I have come to the conclusion that the light green with slurry does an excellent job in sharpening a razor and is good for finishing with water only.

My lately acquirred yellow/green is a killer finisher. I haven't tried it with slurry yet but as a finisher with water only I got a smooth as silk shave off of the hone. (after stropping)

I have used the blue/green a lot as it was my first Escher and my first natural finishing stone. It is also a hell of a water only finisher. I have to try it with slurry too and see what that is about.

The dark blue as I said earlier is a finisher. At least in the few times I used it as such it did a first rate job. Here again my individual stones have these characteristics based on my particular technique. As Russel and Randy are always pointing out all natural stones are different so maybe others will come to different conclusions with their Eschers. They ain't like buying a set of GlassStones.