Thread: between the shapton 8k and 16k

just wondering if there should be a stone in between the shapton 8k and 16k. it looks like i may go the shaptons route for hones. but i dont know why they dont have a 12k. any thoughts

it is not must you can live without it.

The way I understand the "Shapton System", the idea is to double in grit after every stone--so 1K, 2K, 4K, 8K, 16K. But I could be wrong...

Originally Posted by JimR

The way I understand the "Shapton System", the idea is to double in grit after every stone--so 1K, 2K, 4K, 8K, 16K. But I could be wrong...

That is exactly what Harrelson Stanley of Shapton USA says on the DVD where he hones a razor. Worth noting that Norton goes 4k to 8k as well.

don´t worry about jumps in the higher grit ranking.
The jump from 1k to 6k is much much larger
than the jump from 8k to 16k,
if the previous sharpening has been done correctly

It is to my understanding that honing on after 8k grit hones is less a metal removing action
but more a flatening action due to the plastic flow of the metal
That´s why you can jump from 8.000 to 60.000 Chrox right away.
It´s not about removing metal, it´s literally polishing

But to go from 1k where you remove metal and leave scratches,
to jump to 6k wehere you start to leave finer scratches and plastic flow starts to appear you can get into trouble removing scars left from the 1k on the bevel or/and edge

There is no problem going from 8K to 16K with the Shaptons. I don't think there would be any problem to go from 8K directly to 30K. It's nice to know though you have the complete range. When I need a touchup I usually use the 16K then the 30K before finishing with CrO.

bj

Originally Posted by 2Sharp

There is no problem going from 8K to 16K with the Shaptons. I don't think there would be any problem to go from 8K directly to 30K. It's nice to know though you have the complete range. When I need a touchup I usually use the 16K then the 30K before finishing with CrO.

bj

I think JimmhHad and JimR are correct on the point of doubling. But since I don't have a 30k I wonder if you could answer this without getting this thread off track.

Somewhere on this forum I read where CROX is = 30k and wrote it down on a notepad. I have also read that some, who have a 30k shapton, will use the shapton and then the crox. My question is: does the crox improve the shaptons edge any?

Thanks,

Ray

8k to 16k is the way it is supposed to work now where is my 32k Shapton at?????

Ray to answer yer question...

Pastes and Hones are not the same and the grits do not relate...

Even the grits between different brands of Hones don't relate, and the grits between types of pastes don't either....

It is not an exact science no matter how much we want it to be it just isn't
You can change one little variable and get completely different results....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

8k to 16k is the way it is supposed to work now where is my 32k Shapton at?????

Ray to answer yer question...

Pastes and Hones are not the same and the grits do not relate...

Even the grits between different brands of Hones don't relate, and the grits between types of pastes don't either....

It is not an exact science no matter how much we want it to be it just isn't
You can change one little variable and get completely different results....

Glenn,
That all makes perfect sense. I suppose that's why the pastes seem to be a variable grit. What I mean by that is, the effect of say CROX on a hard strop, that has just been loaded up, seems to go from bad - to really good - to worse. I have never yet been able to maintain a consistent result over many uses.

Thanks for the info.

Ray

Originally Posted by rayman

Glenn,
That all makes perfect sense. I suppose that's why the pastes seem to be a variable grit. What I mean by that is, the effect of say CROX on a hard strop, that has just been loaded up, seems to go from bad - to really good - to worse. I have never yet been able to maintain a consistent result over many uses.

Thanks for the info.

Ray

Exactly !!!!!

Dagnabit wish it were all easy