Thank everyone so much for the info I somehow got unsubscribed from my own thread and missed all the great responses and ended up reposting. Anyhow I just received the hone today at it also is one of the large 10" hones. I guess I'll just have to try and mess around with it. It is the exact same as the large one you have posted in the photos the box appears to be the same so I hope that I can get equivalent results seeing as to the price I paid for it. I think I may have spent too much but at the time I didn't really do my homework and it took forever to arive I'll post some pictures and my thought's. Again thank you everyone.