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    Was browsing ebay UK recently and came across an interesting action for a boxed oil stone. Seller described the stone as green/gray and it was coated pretty well with oil.

    I noticed what I thought was some red mixed in with the green on the stone in the pictures and thought that it could be a Charnley, was about 70% sure but when I noticed the sellers location (Leicestershire, UK) I was about 90% sure.

    Took a gamble with a decent bid and won. Too bad the second bidder must have recognized it as well as I paid near my maximum bid and the 3rd bidder bid 50 pounds less than us. Oh well, pretty happy about this score. Stone measures 10.5" x 2"

    Cleaned it up and lapped it (white slurry). Not a lot of red in it so my eyes must have been seeing something on the eBay picture, but I'm fairly certain this is a CF.

    Had a great shave on a new razor with an escher finish tonight and am going to take it to this stone tomorrow to see how it compares.

    For those that have used these - what is the best way to hone? I usually slurry and dilute to a water finish with my coti's and escher and was going to try the same thing with this one.




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    It may well be a Charnley, but they are not all equal. There are also other possibilities as to what it could be. Some are coarser than Eschers, some alot finer. They do not have the same consistency as do Eschers. I have had both varieties. They are all very hard and slow cutting stones. 30-40 laps with slurry and 50+ with water.

    Charnleys are very difficult to raise a slurry on and it is more of a 'slime' that is usually a faint white with the slightest hint of pink. If you are lapping with a DMT however you should get a thick white slurry.

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    The second bidder was me.

    I was pretty sure it was a CF but the vein looked a bit like a crack and I was worried it might only be a slice of CF. Otherwise I would have bid more

    Have you been able to remove it from the box yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piet View Post
    The second bidder was me.

    I was pretty sure it was a CF but the vein looked a bit like a crack and I was worried it might only be a slice of CF. Otherwise I would have bid more

    Have you been able to remove it from the box yet?
    The vein is definitely not a crack and actually is just a more of a discoloration spot as on the sides it doesn't appear like it runs down the stone.

    I haven't removed it from the box and don't intend to. I used oven cleaner and it removed all the grease.

    Lapped it with my DMT and got a thick white slimy slurry. Thing was pretty hard. When I just leave water on the surface it seems to evaporate almost instantly which seems weird (definitely isn't getting soaked into the stone).

    I'll find out tonight how it works as I just put on one of my finest escher edges on a razor I recently honed last night and am going to take that to the charnley tonight.

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    Would you be too upset if that was Idwal hone?

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    I continue to use mine with oil and it continues to produce great results.

    Have fun,

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrspach View Post
    Would you be too upset if that was Idwal hone?
    Guess I'll find out tonight for how the shave goes. If it degrades my escher edge, then I'd be a little disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynn View Post
    I continue to use mine with oil and it continues to produce great results.

    Have fun,

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    Hi Lynn,

    What kind of oil and how many strokes do you do?

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    I considered that it may be an Idwal hone also. I have Eschers, Charnleys and a Llyn Idwal and they all give great edges, all certainly above a 10K level.

    Remember that once you get to around 12-15K levels, it is extremely difficult to measure what a certain improvement is, rather I look at it as a different character. I have several different finishers yet I do not use one exclusively, furthermore I find that different steels respond better or worse to different finishers, therefore I reserve certain finishers for particular razors. Plus it just makes life more fun.

    I'd be certainly quite pleased if I came across a nice big Idwal like that. FWW they are rarer than Charnleys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scipio View Post
    I considered that it may be an Idwal hone also. I have Eschers, Charnleys and a Llyn Idwal and they all give great edges, all certainly above a 10K level.

    Remember that once you get to around 12-15K levels, it is extremely difficult to measure what a certain improvement it, rather I look at it as a different character. I have several different finishers yet I do not use one exclusively, furthermore I find that different steels respond better or worse to different finishers, therefore I reserve certain finishers for particular razors. Plus it just makes life more fun.

    I'd be certainly quite pleased if I came across a nice big Idwal like that. FWW they are rarer than Charnleys.
    Thanks - I have another definite Charnley (green w/ red streak typical one) to compare to. I haven't tested that one yet either.

    At the moment I have too many finishers and am slowly going through them to really get to know them. Also have been restoring a bunch of blades so it is hard for me to continually use a razor multiple days in a row to compare edges of finishers when I'm constantly restoring new ones.

    I think my HAD is over for awhile now so hopefully I'll get to learn in depth each of my stones in time.

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