Thread: Gokumyo #10 000

Originally Posted by ZethLent

I think I have found a synthetic equivalent to my J-Nat finishing hone in this Gokumyo. I'll have to make a visit to Morihei to see if something he has will up this one.

would you clarify above statement?
do you mean this synthetic stone(Gokumyo 10000) is equivalent to your natural Japanese 30000+ finishing hone?

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

would you clarify above statement?
do you mean this synthetic stone(Gokumyo 10000) is equivalent to your natural Japanese 30000+ finishing hone?

That "30000" natural finisher is a nonsense number, based only on what people feel on their face. It has no relationship whatsoever to real size of the particles.

Kyoto awaseto have particles that range in size from 1-3 microns...so if you want to put a grit number on your Japanese finishing hone, call it an 8k.

If, on the other hand, you are only judging a hone by the feeling, then just call it a finisher--that's what the guys who've been dealing with hones for the last couple of centuries have done.

So if this hone is a good finisher, it's a good finisher, regardless of the (mostly meaningless) particle size.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

would you clarify above statement?
do you mean this synthetic stone(Gokumyo 10000) is equivalent to your natural Japanese 30000+ finishing hone?

Yes.

That is how it has been feeling for quite a number of shaves now.

Originally Posted by ZethLent

Yes.

That is how it has been feeling for quite a number of shaves now.

this one should be twice as good as then?

?? ????? GMN200??20000? - ??????

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

this one should be twice as good as then?

?? ????? GMN200??20000? - ??????

Sham it just might. Talk to A_S he has one and thinks it is an excellent stone. When I spoke to him last year in March he had already honed 1000 razors on it.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

this one should be twice as good as then?

?? ????? GMN200??20000? - ??????

My limited experience with this stone says no.
I compared it to my Nakayama Kiita and wasn´t able to tell a real difference.
It gives a good edge, but I hardly can imagine any better edge than what I get from my
Nakayama or Shapton 30k. I would say it´s another one in that league,
but certainly no better (is it even possible?!)

I have Nakayama (yellow) and I have a 15K stone, which overhones my razors. Then what for is 30K?

I have Nakayama (yellow) and I have a 15K stone, which overhones my razors

Either your Nakayama is not suitable for finishing a razor, or you are not quite where you need to be with your honing technique.
A good Nakayama will not destroy an edge if used properly. Period.

I recommend finishing your razor on your Shapton 15k (or do you have any other 15k that I am not aware of?) until it shaves your face smoothly.
Then go to your Nakayama with water only (my recommendation, experiments are welcome but first try the most simple way to use the stone).
Give the razor 10-30 double strokes. Rather less than more. Strop (or don´t, your choice. Mind the stropping as another source of defect for the edge when done improperly)
and shave with the razor. If the edge does not change, try another round on the Nakayama. If the edge gets better, decide if you´re satisfied and leave it.
If it gets worse your Nakayama is probably not good for finishing a razor, or you are incompatible with your Nakayama.

A 30k Stone like the Shapton Glass stone will not overhone if used properly.
If used correctly (many will agree with me) the Shapton 30k delivers exceptionally good results.
It will smooth out the edge to a point you cannot see anything but a smooth straight line under magnification.
But the price is probably not justified.
HHT and shaving results are keen and scary sharp, yet smooth.
Better than Nakayama? Better than Gokumyo? Better than Escher? Who the hell knows
QUOTE: it is yet another one in that league


P.s:
Here´s a little information with pictures for the Shapton Series (from Shapton, in Japanese)
http://www.shapton.co.jp/GlassSeries...07_01_ver1.pdf

Thank you. I bought my Nakayama only 2 months back and a little overloaded with information about different naguras and so on. You are right, it's better to start with water. After more practice a feeling of stone will come.

Originally Posted by Lesslemming

My limited experience with this stone says no.
I compared it to my Nakayama Kiita and wasn´t able to tell a real difference.
It gives a good edge, but I hardly can imagine any better edge than what I get from my
Nakayama or Shapton 30k. I would say it´s another one in that league,
but certainly no better (is it even possible?!)

I have recently bought this stone myself, and it is a good finisher.
Not better than my Escher or my Jnats, but to be honest, it is right up there with them.
it does deliver a combination of smoothness and keenness that I thus far have only achieved on my very finest naturals.

So Lesslemming is spot on, IMHO, it is yet another one in that league.