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    The idea of completing an entire honing progression using only one stone is an exciting concept, but in reality it lacks practicality as you may find that while it may work for some razors, it will not cut a bevel for others; and in my experience with the system the latter applies, or more accurately the latter applies because of time limits.

    As to colours, you are taking a risk no matter what. I have had a pink ish coti that cut quite quickly but didnt finish nicely enough for me. It would perform at perhaps 3k level with slurry and could set bevels. I have had a green coti with white streaks that could not set bevels. It simply would not cut. It was however, a very nice finisher. The only coti I ever kept was better than both put together. A rapid cutter that can turn slurry black, yes black after 20 circles. An awesome finisher en par with my Eschers. Vintage, a very modest 4 x 2 inch, deep yellow in colour with lots of black streaks. The smallest one in the picture and a true gem. It really is lightning fast - some of the guys at the UK razorcon witnessed its performance. Whats unusual about it is it also finishes very nicely. The green one I referred to earlier is the top one. The middle is a very 'average' coticule.

    So it really does vary and I think while the general colour group/vein may apply, its a natural and you're taking a chance. Unless its tried and tested like Bart's coticules, its like a Kinder surprise, u just never know...
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    Glen, my experience is veeery little to say anything above that. Thanks again for your advises I'll keep them close.
    All i know is to try hard to achieve a goal. If this will not work, then I will have to move on.

    And still, if I get with a Coticule where I want to, in a reasonable time, I will consider it a success.
    That extra time that a coticule takes comparing to synthetics, might give that extra smoothness for my sensitive skin, so I guess time and experience will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scipio View Post
    The idea of completing an entire honing progression using only one stone is an exciting concept, but in reality it lacks practicality as you may find that while it may work for some razors, it will not cut a bevel for others; and in my experience with the system the latter applies, or more accurately the latter applies because of time limits.

    As to colours, you are taking a risk no matter what. I have had a pink ish coti that cut quite quickly but didnt finish nicely enough for me. It would perform at perhaps 3k level with slurry and could set bevels. I have had a green coti with white streaks that could not set bevels. It simply would not cut. It was however, a very nice finisher. The only coti I ever kept was better than both put together. A rapid cutter that can turn slurry black, yes black after 20 circles. An awesome finisher en par with my Eschers. Vintage, a very modest 4 x 2 inch, deep yellow in colour with lots of black streaks. The smallest one in the picture and a true gem. It really is lightning fast - some of the guys at the UK razorcon witnessed its performance. Whats unusual about it is it also finishes very nicely. The green one I referred to earlier is the top one. The middle is a very 'average' coticule.

    So it really does vary and I think while the general colour group/vein may apply, its a natural and you're taking a chance. Unless its tried and tested like Bart's coticules, its like a Kinder surprise, u just never know...
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    The Bottom Coticule Pictures is a Deep Rock or Salm coticule, correct? From what I've seen they're the best of the vintage bunch.

    The La nouvelle Veine I had but eventually sold to another member was very very fast in slurry, turned black in just about 10 back and forth or circles.

    I would recommend when buying a coticule just like a Jnat is to try it out before you buy it or ask if you can send it back if you don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disburden View Post
    The Bottom Coticule Pictures is a Deep Rock or Salm coticule, correct?
    I have no idea as it has no box or markings. I wish I knew!

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    I'll say it: I'm a one stone coti guy and I like it that way. But I like it for all the politically incorrect reasons. I'm lazy and I like to hone sporadically over an evening (during commercials and bathroom breaks, or whenever the mood strikes.) Picking up one of my groovy yellow rocks and doing a minute of circles is easy for me. I could finish my razors off my Charnley for a sharper edge; i could set all my bevels on a 1k; but my bevels have all been set already. They don't to go back to the 1k. When I've got a moment I simply grab a yellow with a bit slurry, do some circles and repeat with water only. It takes a few minutes. It's important to note that while my life may work for me it might not work for you, but if this is your first coti decision than don't get hung up on vein names. Save that for your third or fourth coti. If you want to go the one-stoma route then go for it. Let your freak flag fly. But don't think that there aren't other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
    Glen, my experience is veeery little to say anything above that. Thanks again for your advises I'll keep them close.
    All i know is to try hard to achieve a goal. If this will not work, then I will have to move on.

    And still, if I get with a Coticule where I want to, in a reasonable time, I will consider it a success.
    That extra time that a coticule takes comparing to synthetics, might give that extra smoothness for my sensitive skin, so I guess time and experience will tell.

    You won't find the extra smoothness hiding in the stone, the smoothness is in the hands, only people that are marketing the stone will ever try and make you believe that myth,, Or people that have heavy hands while honing and just never really master the technique required to bring out the best edges....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    You won't find the extra smoothness hiding in the stone, the smoothness is in the hands[...]
    I agree with Glen, here. I find that coticules do give a very smooth edge of their own accord, but that it tends to be less keen than many other hones. From those other hones a similar smoothness can come from a very light touch that polishes the edge without degrading it-- the great fallacy, then, being that synthetics give a 'harsh' edge. The jump a coticule-- or Escher, what have you-- has on a synthetic is simply that it allows a honer with, shall we say, a higher handicap to get a smooth edge with less experience and effort.



    Now, all this said, I do think a coticule is a very fun stone to play around with. The trick is not to get caught up in the hype and believe that it is the ultimate stone, with limitless potential. It is, as are so many others, just one tool in a vast workshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    You won't find the extra smoothness hiding in the stone, the smoothness is in the hands, only people that are marketing the stone will ever try and make you believe that myth,, Or people that have heavy hands while honing and just never really master the technique required to bring out the best edges....
    Or people w/ heavy hands while shaving--they're the ones quick to call a nice sharp, smooth edge "too keen" or "harsh" when the problem is on their end: they're pressing hard (& removing lots of skin) when they shave! (No wonder it's "harsh"!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PA23-250 View Post
    Or people w/ heavy hands while shaving--they're the ones quick to call a nice sharp, smooth edge "too keen" or "harsh" when the problem is on their end: they're pressing hard (& removing lots of skin) when they shave! (No wonder it's "harsh"!)
    We kind of getting away from the coticule subject here, but ok, isn't it a rule that the keener the edge, the more unforgiving it is and the more "catchy" it gets on the skin?
    Also, its kind of objective with every user's skin, some types can accept a heavier "scratch" than others.

    IMHO, I don't think that all coticule fans have heavy hands which makes them aprecciate the not so sharp coticule edge.. I dont know..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
    Also, its kind of objective with every user's skin, some types can accept a heavier "scratch" than others.
    The old adage that you will be more likely to cut yourself with a dull knife than a sharp one applies to razors AFAIC. Of course proper technique is requisite to a good shave. Read my sig below to see how to avoid nicks and cuts with a truly sharp straight razor. In any case, if the razor is truly sharp and shave ready, and the user has the proper shaving technique, the razor won't pull on the whiskers or catch on loose skin. Pulling on whiskers and/or catching on the skin is failure of the razor, the technique, or both. IMHO.
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