Thread: J-Nat club

Originally Posted by DaveW

Is that takeshi kuroda's stamp at the top right? (metalmaster?). I can never tell who puts what on a stone, but I've got a couple of stones with that mark, and I know several of mine have come from him.

As far as I know Kuroda Takeshi has no it's own stamp to put on the stones that hi is selling.


As for this stamp:


this is the stamp of "Kyoto Natural Hone Sales Association" ( http://www.tomonagura.com/jnats/japa...at-stamps.html )

Originally Posted by DaveW

That looks like a suita stone, but that doesn't mean a lot in terms of how it will be in use - nothing beats the use test, except maybe the use with lots of experience with a particular stone test. It's a nice looking stone.

No. It is not a SUITA. It is AWASE-DO ( 合砥 ). And the stamp on top left corner denotes it.


the kanji inscription in stamp is 純本山合砥 ( 「純本山 合砥」--- jun-honzan-awase do )

「純 」 --- pure
「本山」--- honzan
[honzan] is a general term for whetstone mountains of Kyoto.
「合砥」 --- awasedo = fine honing stone


More hi-res photos: http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/Os...Awase%20Toishi

Lots of details in the images and your follow up.
Thanks for the inspiration I need to follow up on some inscriptions I have on my stones.
Myron

Originally Posted by Nikolay

As far as I know Kuroda Takeshi has no it's own stamp to put on the stones that hi is selling.


As for this stamp:


this is the stamp of "Kyoto Natural Hone Sales Association" ( Jnat Stamps | TomoNagura.Com | Keith V. Johnson )



No. It is not a SUITA. It is AWASE-DO ( 合砥 ). And the stamp on top left corner denotes it.


the kanji inscription in stamp is 純本山合砥 ( 「純本山 合砥」--- jun-honzan-awase do )

「純 」 --- pure
「本山」--- honzan
[honzan] is a general term for whetstone mountains of Kyoto.
「合砥」 --- awasedo = fine honing stone


More hi-res photos: Awase Toishi Photos by Ostritel | Photobucket

From the pics this stone looks like a suita. Awasedo means finishing stone and is not related to the strata of stone.

Originally Posted by mainaman

From the pics this stone looks like a suita. Awasedo means finishing stone and is not related to the strata of stone.

I have never seen j-nats of SUITA type marked as AWASE-DO. Never!

All the SUITA are usually stamped with 「巣板」 or 「本巣板」 or 「白巣板」 or just as 「スイタ」 ( SUITA written by katakana ) and like. But none of them is marked as AWASE-DO.

For example:



Some more examples are here: Suita and awasedo
and here: http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~ttoishi/sub10.htm
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/mandaraya/4-ttk-20.htm
http://www.morihei.co.jp/product/index_sankou.html

The very most of AWASE-DO are from the Tomae ( 戸前 ) starta, Aisa or Namito ( 並砥 ), not from SUITA.

Originally Posted by Nikolay

I have never seen j-nats of SUITA type marked as AWASE-DO. Never!

All the SUITA are usually stamped with 「巣板」 or 「本巣板」 or 「白巣板」 or just as 「スイタ」 ( SUITA written by katakana ) and like. But none of them is marked as AWASE-DO.

For example:



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The very most of AWASE-DO are from the Tomae ( 戸前 ) starta, Aisa or Namito ( 並砥 ), not from SUITA.

I did not say that Suitas are stamped awasedo, just that from the pic of your stone it looks like suita. It could be nashiji as well but the patterning is more consistent with suita. What does the side look like?

It looks like suita to me, too. Maybe it is a nearby strata, but it looks like suita.

When it comes to Jnats, I think we all know what something looks like may not be what it actually is.

Originally Posted by mainaman

I did not say that Suitas are stamped awasedo, just that from the pic of your stone it looks like suita. It could be nashiji as well but the patterning is more consistent with suita. What does the side look like?

Side and end faces of the stone are covered with varnish.


Side face:





End face:






magnified fragment of work surface:



I can take more detailed images of the surface with microscope...

Originally Posted by Nikolay

Side and end faces of the stone are covered with varnish.


Side face:





End face:






fragment of work surface:



I can take even more detailed images of the surface with microscope...

What do you call the small holes on the surface (last picture) ? Aren't they called Su?

I bought an unknown mine stone from Takeshi that was possible nakayama iromono, it had su and goma. Im not looking for what I would call it but suita makes sense as it has "su".