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09-14-2011, 02:34 AM #1
Does that mean i shouldn't buy that $20,000 stone of 330mate that he has on eBay????
Damn! ill get the $15,000 one instead!
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...bay-cheap.htmlLast edited by Brighty83; 09-14-2011 at 02:37 AM.
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09-14-2011, 03:22 AM #2
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Thanked: 94I've bought knives off 330-mate and think they've been good value.
Although his prices for stones have exploded over the last 18 months.
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09-14-2011, 09:12 AM #3
What about the reliability of stamps? The identically labelled Oohira Mainaman showed us, has Oohira in the stamp. The stamp on Pauly's stone is in a similar type. I couldn't read it at first, but I now think it says 愛宕鉱山合砥 (Atago-kouzan-awasedo, Atago-mine whetstone).
I'm not quite abreast with the intricate naming system involving strata, mines, mountains, regions. Are Atago and Narutaki mutually exclusive designations?
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09-16-2011, 03:02 PM #4
Yes it is a stone from Atagoyama.
The label say it is "Narutaki" but "Narutaki" has 2 meanings.
I think I wrote many times that SOME TERMS IN JAPANESE HAS 2 MEANINGS.
”Narutaki" is one of them.
The narrow meaning is the Narutaki mine.
The wide meaning is all silica finishing stones mined around Kyoto including Shiga.
Here the label is the "Imanishi" label and "Narutaki" is the wide meaning.
Atagoyama stones are from the west mountains and I think there are few which are bad stones.
There are bad stones with famous stamps like "Nakayama" (some fraud) but I do not see any fraud stones with "Atagoyama" stamp.
Most of the stones are hardness about 4 in a scale of 1 to 5, if you are lucky you can have a lvl 4.5 or 5- stone from Atagoyama.
It will be a finisher for knives and prefinisher for razors.
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09-16-2011, 11:07 PM #5
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09-18-2011, 04:56 PM #6
Oldengaerde & Pauly & Brighty, you can see that the stampings on stones can be misleading in most cases. Below are two copied sheets from a book distributed to members of the Kyoto Miners Union.
And a photos of Ishihara-san of Ohira Mine Co. stamping some stones for me, and a photo of one stone I bought from him.
The top photos shows both of the ink stamp and the paper label used by and registered by the Imanishi Co. seen on Pauly's Narutaki stone and the paper label on the Ohira stone linked by Maniaman and Brighty. The stamps on the sheets seen are actual stamped examples submitted to the Kyoto Miners Union archives and are just a small portion of the reference booklet from which these examples came from. Imanishi Co. itself has three full pages of stamps that they have used over the years. Alx
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