Thread: What is a hybrid coticule?

Yes. Give it time. Supply and demand will out! Look at Okudo stones...

But that does raise the question: has anyone respected done a head to head of these to other stones? There's been a lot of comparison in this thread of the hybrid to the "standard" coticule. What about the hybrid to other natural stones? Does anyone know?

James.

Well I'm not a "respected one", but I will sure compare the hybrid side to a LPB coti, a LGB coti, Ozuku Asagi and more...
The marbled LL side is said to give a very keen coti edge being very hard.

Blix,

The "hybrid" side of a LL is not significantly better, or give any more of a keen edge than others. I've had more than my share. They work, like the other stratas. I honed a razor on a La Petite Blanche for someone else and was complimented on how I can "squeeze" out that last bit of keenness better than he's been able to on any of his. I've seen that comment before (that LLs left keener edges), and I don't know many people who will buy it after thorough examination.

The fact of the matter is that if you have a coticule that is decent (and you really know how to use it well), you can get a very keen, very smooth edge... just like you can off other naturals.

Jimbo, I've compared several coticules to numerous hones (natural and synthetic). I've noticed differences, but nothing that makes any of the alternatives pale in comparison. What I have learned after spending way more money than I'm proud of is that all of them yield very, very similar results when maxed out, the difference is in the ease in which that stage is reached. I'm not sure that I'm respected enough, but there's my experience

Remember too that many "respected" members completely discount the vast majority of coticules' ability to finish an edge as well as other natural stones, so whatever we hear will have to be framed with that frame of reference

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Blix,

The "hybrid" side of a LL is not significantly better, or give any more of a keen edge than others. I've had more than my share. They work, like the other stratas. I honed a razor on a La Petite Blanche for someone else and was complimented on how I can "squeeze" out that last bit of keenness better than he's been able to on any of his. I've seen that comment before (that LLs left keener edges), and I don't know many people who will buy it after thorough examination.

The fact of the matter is that if you have a coticule that is decent (and you really know how to use it well), you can get a very keen, very smooth edge... just like you can off other naturals.

Jimbo, I've compared several coticules to numerous hones (natural and synthetic). I've noticed differences, but nothing that makes any of the alternatives pale in comparison. What I have learned after spending way more money than I'm proud of is that all of them yield very, very similar results when maxed out, the difference is in the ease in which that stage is reached. I'm not sure that I'm respected enough, but there's my experience

Remember too that many "respected" members completely discount the vast majority of coticules' ability to finish an edge as well as other natural stones, so whatever we hear will have to be framed with that frame of reference

Thank you for the great info. My LL was shipped yesterday, so I couldn't possibly know yet

But after working really hard to learn my Shaptons GS's I have learned that I can get quite smooth edges off a system considered fast and "harsh" if I do it right. To the point I have really questioned my HAD! But it's all fun. I can only learn by trying different stones, as long as I don't drink the internet Kool-Aid on everything

I got my Hybrid in this morning. It was grouped with the Les Latneuses, but is appears to be a La Grosse Blanche. It has thin brown lines running through it and has dots on the surface; they look like pores but the surface it smooth. The top layer was brown until I lapped it. I'm going to put it out in the sun to confirm LGB. You can see some of the browning on the edge in the first picture. The top layer slurries easily and is creamy; the hybrid layer gives off very, very little slurry, even with a DMT. I'll let you know how it finishes.

Does the hybrid side do anything or is just a pretty backing?

It's technically not a back; it is the middle between two layers of Les Latneuses. It is definitely hard and is said to produced a nice finish. I'm going to work one of my razors and let you know how it handles.

do a full dilucot method, and that way you will no what its capable of. the slurry will be raized but mainlyb from slurry stone, either way it wil work well with the surface, its on. The may all differ, but mine does a geat job. . both sides work well on mine, leaving typical coticule edge ..

I just rehoned 4 blades last night while using the hybrid side. I prefer the hybrid side myself. It leaves a very keen edge that is supremely mellow. I too do a full dilucot on the hybrid side. I have a veinette that i rub on the hybrid to create a slurry and go from there.

This thread reminds me of a Sterophile review of audio cables/ect. below is a typical copy/paste (the first one I googled) it sounds remarkably like this thread..

quote"First, 20 years ago, I so deeply fell in love with the sound of my original Koetsu Urushi cartridge that I immediately bought a second one. Although I've since heard many other cartridges that have impressed me, I've never had any desire to abandon the Koetsus. Thanks to several subsequent rebuilds by the Expert Stylus and Cartridge Company (footnote 1), my Urushis continue to hold court in my reference system.

I am also biased toward the cables made by Music Interface Technologies (MIT). In 1982, I heard MIT founder Bruce Brisson's first design for Monster Cable " yada yada yada .....

but the question is why do I want a hybrid now...