Thread: Honing questions.

Originally Posted by Kees

@ Gssixgun: thanks for your extensive advice here. Did you have any particular reason for not mentioning cubic boron nitride? I like it very much for daily use. Since I started using it my hones have seen much less use. A good thing unless you have a honing addiction disorder.

Because unlike many on this forum, I NEVER EVER recommend or Not recommend anything that I haven't tried myself....

Point in reference on this thread already

Pithor: "The scratch patter comment just goes to show that I have never used synthetics. I worked on assumption, which is of course not the best way to discuss things"


I will however take a look for some on this side of the pond and see what I can find Kees unless Lynn finds it first then I'll borrow some from him ...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Because unlike many on this forum, I NEVER EVER recommend or Not recommend anything that I haven't tried myself....

Point in reference on this thread already

Pithor: "The scratch patter comment just goes to show that I have never used synthetics. I worked on assumption, which is of course not the best way to discuss things"

My point was not to recommend anything over the other, even though I nudge towards coticules, because it was how I started and I never really needed anything else since they are so versatile. This was not to talk down sythetics (or diamond sprays and such as well), I just wanted to give a different angle and add something new to the discussion. I thought I made that clear, but obviously not clear enough.

Nowhere in this thread have I recommended or not recommended something I have not tried. The comment you quoted was just to admit that I didn't argue well enough, i.e. making a mistake and admitting it. I should have left that out of my initial post. I was consistently clear and honest about it that I did not use synthetics; that was pretty much my entire point. The only thing I recommended was the way I did it, to illustrate the different ways you can start rather than trying to persuade Chris that that was the right way.

I'm sorry, but my quote is NOT a point in reference for advising for or against certain types of hones without having used them, I mentioned multiple times that I do not advise people to not get synthetic hones. It almost feels as if you try to discredit me and my argument by picking that quote as an example of something it was never an example of to contrast it with yourself and your advise.

And also honing the way I do, I don't see the point in getting a complete synthetic progression, Japanese natural with nagura progression, diamond sprays or anything like that. My honing needs are fulfilled. And I don't see why I should, as there are plenty of knowledgeable people on the subject of all the different possible synthetic hones.

Again, I just wanted to show that it's possible to NOT use synthetics (or hardly) for (starting) honing, that's all.

Sorry Chris for going off the track a bit. I hope you make the choice that is right for you and makes you happy. The more honers, the better.

Originally Posted by Pithor

My point was not to recommend anything over the other, even though I nudge towards coticules, because it was how I started and I never really needed anything else since they are so versatile. This was not to talk down sythetics (or diamond sprays and such as well), I just wanted to give a different angle and add something new to the discussion. I thought I made that clear, but obviously not clear enough.

The problem Pithor is because you havn't ever used them, many/most of your assumtions about them are totally inaccurate, but you blindly state them anyway, and I am sorry but that is a pet peeve of mine..

I could go back through your posts here and tear them down statement by statement but it is way easier to simply point out that you are biased to using only what you know... If you had only stated what you know, that would have been different but you expanded into talking about things you have never used..

The worst part is that now I have soured your opinion about synthetics and you will probably never try them and if you do, you will try them with the attitude to prove that guy Glen wrong and that is your loss of really nice edges

If you took the time to actually learn how to really use the Sythetics they will surprise you...

I use both Naturals and Synthetics,, and love them both,,

Now having sat down with quite a few new honers in person I can factually tell you that most (not all) find the larger stones much easier to use, when learning, this is why those of us that have taken the time to sit and teach keep, recommending the same thing over and over and over not because we like them better and not because we haven't used other, it is because we try and give the easiest path for the most people...

I leave you with a simple statement, take the time to hone on an 8x3 Synthetic and learn it as well as you learned your Coticule and enjoy the shave, you might learn someting new

g

To Chris: again, sorry for slightly polluting your thread, I hope you find what you want and need, and hope that at least some of my ranting was useful to you. I just felt compelled to defend my point of view.

Again, I was just looking to add a different perspective to the discussion, and considered this to be a discussion. I do not necessarily take criticism as attacks on my character, and therefore am not spiteful towards anyone, I just hope, if nothing else, that someone realised that you can start honing any way you prefer, instead of looking for the easiest way. Over and out, catch you later, and happy honing.