I have a hindo.. I paid way to much for it and the payoff wasn't worth it.. It does look cool in the old box it came in though... Coticles are worth their weight in gold though. If you are just starting out, pick up a King 1k for bevel setting, a 4k Shaptons, and 8k shaptons.. Finish on the coticle for a butery edge and you will be set for life.. Don't listen to these guys.. They may be Honemeisters, but I have been elevated to Hone Hamster status.. Which means I have successfully vibrated my way into a different earthreal plane.... Or, that i can shave a hamster... i can never remember which one it is..