Thread: Replace my King 1000?

Lately my King 1000 bevel setter has been giving me problems. Either I am geting fussier as my honing skills develope or my King 1000 has developed issues.
Lately I have been noticing little "ticks" that can be felt and maybe heard. I can even see these little solid chunks imbedded in the stone easily with the naked eye. I have been prying the bigger ones out of the stone leaving a small hole where they were dug out. Sometimes I can lap the stone and recover smoothness but if a big chunk is showing removing it is a better long term option.
Did I just not notice these as a newbe honer? Have I worn this stone down to an area that now has issues? Does anyone else have similar problems with their King waterstones? Also do these type issues show up in other brands as well?
I was asleep at the wheel and just missed bidding on a lightly used 1000 Shapton on Ebay and now I am tempted to buy a new stone.
Any help with this issue will be greatly appreciated.

I've never used a King, however, I'd be giving it a good lap to see if more turn up or they dissappear - I don't know that I'd be honing on it until they are gone, though

Havachat45 is right. King stones are softer and need to be lapped flat from dishing out. The King come in around the 2000 grit mark. The Shapton 1000 is nice. I prefer the Chosera 1000. King stones are fine stones too.
MIke

I have had a similar problem with a Shapton 1k. lapping it helps a lot!

I have a king 1k/6k and have not had the OP's problem; however I use it with diamond hone raised slurry. If I am not careful to clean my diamond hone between hones I sometimes have grit contamination issues. It sounds like ticking.

Jonathan

@ op ~ The only thing I can think of is if you have been lapping on sandpaper you may have used too much pressure & embedded particles in the King. Soft stones are prone to this.

Thanks for your offerings guys.
I have tried several times to lap through these troublesome "chunks" imbedded in the stone. I just measured where I dug a piece out and the larger chunks are close to 1 mm in diameter. The chunks are the same exact color as the particles the stone is made from. When I dig them out they remind me of red brick and break like brick chunks would as well.
Its a big stone, (8 1/4" x 2 5/8" x 1 1/4") so I think I might just remove what is left of the label on the other side and lap it. Maybe the defects in the stone won't run all the way through it.
In reality, now that I have recognized and can easily see the problem chunks, they are easy enough to remove. That will be my temporary solution.
I am still in the market for another stone. There are a lot of different models available even from a single manufacturer. Shapton and Naniwa for example. I guess some serious research would be the way to start.
Any suggestions as to "more bang for the buck" on stones still in production? I understand many models are no longer being made.
Thanks again for your help.

It's often recommended with Nortons to lap off 1/8 " to get to a good surface under similar circumstances.
Never heard of a King doing that but you may have a faulty one.

Here's some info on bevel setters:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/hones...l-setting.html

I'm actually having a similar issue right now. Not noticing any chunks as I always lap w/ a dimond plate, but am noticing a much grittier feel than normal. THe stone has always been very well soaked (sometimes left overnight in water), so I don't think that's it 7 I also keep the edges really smoothly chamfered.

THe thing I really used to like about this stone is the smooth edge it left made for a very easy transition to the Ax method on my Narutaki before finishing on tomo slurry, but now the stone is acting funky. THe edge left seems much coarser & less developed than before. My test for a good edge off that stone was popping arm hairs reasonably well after palm stropping, but now, barely anything & the bevels all seem to disintegrate when going to the Ax method, a sure sign they (the bevels) were bad to begin with. I'll try more lapping & see if that fixes it as that's really about the only thing I can think of, short of buying a chosera & some Shapton GS when I have more cash.

Alas, there is variation, even in synthetic hones. Anything man-made is bound to suffer a dud from time to time. Sorry it happened to you.