Thread: King - Ice Bear 1000/6000 water stone for razor honing

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Good memory Glen.

Yeah sure, tell my wife that as I wander through the house looking for the damn car keys, I swear she hides them just to make me feel older

LOL, it's called Damnesia. Damn ! Where did I put those keys.

a beginners question
is there anything wrong with using 1k wet sandpaper on glass surface for setting bevel?

Originally Posted by vjanda

a beginners question
is there anything wrong with using 1k wet sandpaper on glass surface for setting bevel?

Depends on who you ask

1k Wet-r Dry is pretty "Harsh" to an razors edge, it is not "Even" the grit is less rigorously checked ie: it is a average of 1k so it tends to leave some pretty deep gouges into the steel...
It will work but you have your work cut out for you after using it..

Personally I tried it once, on a heavy blade restore, because everyone said "Oh it works fine and really fast" once was enough for me, I would never use it on an edge again, especially not a Hollow grind...
Not when I can buy a King 1k for $25 all day long

thanks, I won't even try the 1k sandpaper, maybe give the 2K a go
how about the nano cloths?
are they available in the eu?
saw a youtube vid and the bloke achieved a mirror like finish on his blade, most impressive indeed

Lapping film may be more suited to what you have in mind, bevel setting & polishing, than nano cloth. Don't quote me but I think nano cloth tends to lend itself better to the really fine compounds <0.25micron for final polishing an already shaving sharp edge. Whereas there are certainly a few guys taking razors from the ground up on lapping film

I'm with Glen on the 1K>6K>natural finisher being a workable cheap option but as he mentioned for a few extra quid you can step up from the Dragons Tongue.

The King/Norton grit confusion I think in part arises from Norton labelling their 8K as 3 micron:
http://www.nortonindustrial.com/uplo...ningStones.pdf
I'm sure I seen a King catalogue with the 8K described as 2 microns but can't find it atm, though I do keep finding the Lee Valley table: Lee Valley Tools - Woodworking Newsletter

The mysterious world of grit comparisons aside I've heard plenty people around here say they could shave from the Norton 8K quite happily for the rest of their days. Whilst I can shave from the King 6K I'd rather not and I've not come across many people arguing that it does in fact produce a pleasurable shave. That said a little chromium oxide can make a huge difference to the 6k edge but I'd rather turn to a cheap natural as either a finisher or pre-chro ox.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

The Norton 4/8 is closer to the finishing end of honing & the King 1/6 is closer to the coarse end of honing.
You should use the X stroke on a 3" stone as well or risk creating a frown in the edge like this -> (

I'm suffering from info overload
As a beginner and I better off getting 3" or 2" wide stones?
I thought that a 3" stone avoids the need for x strokes as the whole edge fits on the stone.

Originally Posted by vjanda

I'm suffering from info overload
As a beginner and I better off getting 3" or 2" wide stones?
I thought that a 3" stone avoids the need for x strokes as the whole edge fits on the stone.

As a beginner or an expert you can use either size stone. Just because the whole edge fits on the 3" stone doesn't mean the whole edge contacts the stone unless it is a dead straight razor. More often there is a slight warp to a blade.
And.... As I said before "You should use the X stroke on a 3" stone as well or risk creating a frown in the edge. "

I've got the King 1k and 6k hones as well and the 1k sets a bevel well. The 6k isn't quite smooth enough for my face as a sole finisher. I go on up to a Chinese natural that is a bit smoother to finish with.
Once I wear them out I'll try Choseras or Nortons. But for the next few years I'm happy with the Kings.

Originally Posted by bharner

I've got the King 1k and 6k hones as well and the 1k sets a bevel well. The 6k isn't quite smooth enough for my face as a sole finisher. I go on up to a Chinese natural that is a bit smoother to finish with.
Once I wear them out I'll try Choseras or Nortons. But for the next few years I'm happy with the Kings.

Make a time laps video of when you wear the Chinese natural out!