Thanks for the replies so far. So if a razor was not sharp enough to begin with to shave ATG would I be able to get it there with a Naniwa 12k and/or CrOx? Or would I need to do something like Laurens suggested "start at the 8K, then 12K and crox -> test -> bad result -> 4K, 8K, 12K, crox -> test," Or start from scratch with a new bevel? Forgive any stupid questions I'm just starting down the honing path.

Thanks in Advance
Guy