I have the whipped dog norton 1/4 set (220/1k, 4k/8k & flattener) they are really small but I have butter knifed two razers and bought them to shave. One of the razors had a small frown on it due to spine ware and was quite painfull. Having said this the hones did the job and when the balsa stops putting an edge on them I will go back to 8k to see what happens. Just remember to be patient setting the bevel, you will know when it happens, don't move down your progression until it has been set. Look up pyramiding as well as this was a great tip for me.