Thread: Microbevels.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

What I got a kick out of was this post by Tim Zowada 4 years ago ....... after many threads, that went for pages and pages, of guys opining on the 'double bevel'.

Then, updating, Tim said, "Someday I'll update the web page to show just what I'm doing. In short, I don't really create a double bevel. I use extra tape, and an Escher, to very carefully knock of the teeth/serrations off the edge. I actually strive to avoid a double bevel." This was somewhat confusing at the time, considering everything that had been posted before he 'clarified' things.

Doh...!

Wait a minute though! I think the reason why Tim's explanation is so enigmatic and strange is that Tim is not really speaking american english - in fact, he seems to be striving to avoid speaking in american english and has chosen double dutch as his means of expression on this occasion.

A colaborration between Tim, Edward Lear and Spike Milligan would have proved most entertaining to the aficionado of true nonsense...

Mid you, Donald Rumsfeld could probably give them all a run for their money if he felt so inclined:

...as we know, there are known single bevels; these are bevels that we know that we know. We also know there are known razor steel unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know about the alloys used in razor making. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know, like the use of double bevels with known razor steel unknowns...

I hope that clears the matter up for us all.

Regards,
Neil

The other use of the micro bevel or double bevel is where a razor has been honed on an aggressive stone, low grit (sub 1K), Diamond hone or with excessive pressure, as in a bread-knifing or on customs where edges are produced with low agressive sanding belts and finished on hones.

When these things are done, chipping can occur, as steel has a memory and the deep stria can weaken the edge. Which is why some of these problems can go away, after solid steel is reached down the road.

The micro or double bevel is just another tool, not to make a razor shave better, but just to make a razor shave, regardless of the cause. Just because a razor is chippy does not mean it is defective, there may be any of a number of reasons of which include the user.

Nie mam pojęcia, co mówisz. Kiedy mam czas, będę odpowiadać, aby wyjaśnić moje oświadczenie!

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Doh...!

Wait a minute though! I think the reason why Tim's explanation is so enigmatic and strange is that Tim is not really speaking american english - in fact, he seems to be striving to avoid speaking in american english and has chosen double dutch as his means of expression on this occasion.

A colaborration between Tim, Edward Lear and Spike Milligan would have proved most entertaining to the aficionado of true nonsense...

Mid you, Donald Rumsfeld could probably give them all a run for their money if he felt so inclined:

...as we know, there are known single bevels; these are bevels that we know that we know. We also know there are known razor steel unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know about the alloys used in razor making. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know, like the use of double bevels with known razor steel unknowns...

I hope that clears the matter up for us all.

Regards,
Neil

There is a very slight difference in creating a Micro bevel and honing a full bevel at essentially the same angle

ie:

Honing with 1 layer of tape and then creating a micro bevel with a second layer on the last high grit stone is not quite the same as honing with 2 layers of tape from start to finish... I once thought this, but have found it not to be quite right, close but not quite..

Anyway this thread has taken some very interesting twists..

Again, someone has missed the point:
Nie mam pojęcia, co mówisz. Kiedy mam czas, będę odpowiadać, aby wyjaśnić moje oświadczenie!

See what I mean?

I have no desire to hijack this thread. So, I will start a new one.

Apparently, there is some confusion relating to the quote above. I will attempt to clarify why and how I tweak my edges, using tape. I will do my best to keep the "double dutch" and Polish to a minimum!

Please remember, we're just discussing razors. This is not life, death, family, friendships... There are many, many ways to "skin" the razor sharpening "cat".

Ja czekam na ten dzień! Dzięki, Tim!


...don't ask me, ask google translate...

Regards,
Neil

PS: And keep your mitts off my cat, it's not her fault she likes sharpening razors...

Here you go:

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...edge-tape.html

It was a nice change of pace to do the microscope work. I hope it helps explain what I was trying to say above.

Now, it's back to the shop, to make steel dust...

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Ja czekam na ten dzień! Dzięki, Tim!


...don't ask me, ask google translate...

Regards,
Neil

PS: And keep your mitts off my cat, it's not her fault she likes sharpening razors...