Thread: Can't get the edge to a point

Originally Posted by gssixgun

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html

Read rule #1...

1. Learn to walk away, if a razor has you stumped, learn to walk away, set that razor aside, and move to the next one, or get up and go do something else.. Sitting there Grinding on a razor normally achieves nothing good.. I have read posts where people are putting in more then 1 hour on one hone, that is just too long...

Now after grinding on that thing for hours you have finally decided to seek help, after you wiped away all the clues that might have been on the razor to help us help you.. Now we have an entirely new set of issues that you have introduced to the spine and edge...

Hint #1 - Set this razor aside until you have much more experience

Hint #2 because you won't listen to #1 Put 3 layers of tape on it and do the MM test and see what happens, that will help mask the spine wear at least

Simple fact, now you have to learn to hone around the errors, or what we call "Honing Gymnastics"

Great advice. I get up and walk a lot, that's how I get my exercise. There are several rasors in my stash right now that I am waiting to go back to but until I am ready I move on to another razor. It sounds like I give up on a lot of razors but to be honest, the troubled ones are fewer and farther between now.

Listen to the man.

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.

Seriously, you are doing irreparable damage to what may be mint razors. While it may be possible to hone a razor with your stones, you need to learn how to use them and there are much better alternatives for the novice.

And use tape so you at least do not ruin the spine and the edge.

The first thing is learning how to set a bevel and know when the bevel is set. Until the bevel is set nothing else matters.

Welcome to the forum. As you have found… it is not as easy as it looks, hands on coaching will dramatically increase your learning curve. Sounds like you may have some nice razors, it would be a shame to ruin them.

Post some pics of all your razors and stones.

The link for the Summer meet is here.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.


The link for the Summer meet is here.

That is really the best advice, the one on one at the meets will give you more help then months or even years of forum time, plus they are pretty fun too

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Listen to the man.

Stop… load up your stones and razors and bring them to the So. Cal Summer meet, Sunday, August 17, 2014.

Seriously, you are doing irreparable damage to what may be mint razors. While it may be possible to hone a razor with your stones, you need to learn how to use them and there are much better alternatives for the novice.

And use tape so you at least do not ruin the spine and the edge.

The first thing is learning how to set a bevel and know when the bevel is set. Until the bevel is set nothing else matters.

Welcome to the forum. As you have found… it is not as easy as it looks, hands on coaching will dramatically increase your learning curve. Sounds like you may have some nice razors, it would be a shame to ruin them.

Post some pics of all your razors and stones.

The link for the Summer meet is here.

Will definitely try and make this. Just hoping I don't have work... thanks for the info

Originally Posted by gssixgun

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html

Read rule #1...

1. Learn to walk away, if a razor has you stumped, learn to walk away, set that razor aside, and move to the next one, or get up and go do something else.. Sitting there Grinding on a razor normally achieves nothing good.. I have read posts where people are putting in more then 1 hour on one hone, that is just too long...

Now after grinding on that thing for hours you have finally decided to seek help, after you wiped away all the clues that might have been on the razor to help us help you.. Now we have an entirely new set of issues that you have introduced to the spine and edge...

Hint #1 - Set this razor aside until you have much more experience

Hint #2 because you won't listen to #1 Put 3 layers of tape on it and do the MM test and see what happens, that will help mask the spine wear at least

Simple fact, now you have to learn to hone around the errors, or what we call "Honing Gymnastics"

Will do. It wasn't in the best shape to begin with, just hoping I didnt make it worse.. But since yesterday I have set it aside. I tried the MM test with 3 layers but it hits above the edge. There is the thinnest line right along the edge that is not being hit. Right now all i can ask for is advice, although, this time I will read everyones tips and use them down the road when I have much more experience. Just going to stick to my other razors for now

For those asking for pictures of the grind and my stones.. here ya go.

Here you can see some of the spine wear from the previous owner, pretty even though


If I'm correct I think this would be wither a half or quarter hollow grind. it may look like the spine is uneven, but I was holding it tilted on accident


The stones from left to right are.. combination course/fine india stone ( don't really use because it eats razors for breakfast) a combination soft/hark arkansas, and a surgical black arkansas. All stones are brand new and measure 6x2x1/2

Thanks for posting the photos of the blade. It looks to be a near wedge and might have a lot of spine wear which could make the geometry way off. That would make the razor very hard to hone especially for a beginner. I had one W&B that I had to finally build a temporary false spine on to be able to hone it. Still can't look at that razor without wanting to fire it out the window.

Take Glen's advice step away from it and go to the SoCal summer meet. There is always the possibility that there is a member in your area that could help too.

Bob

That seems to be the best reason as to why its so hard for me. I was able to work on a full hollow boker the other day with no problems, even got a pretty good shave off of it. But I have yet to hone a wedge, and from what I have heard they tend to be tougher to hone in general, even without previous spine wear from another owner. So I will keep away from it for a while.. a long while haha. Hopefully I can make it out to the SoCal meet, I should be able to get a lot of help from people there.

From limited experience I would not say that near wedges are any harder to hone than a full hollow if both are in decent condition. Don't be put off near wedges by one razor that may have major issues.

Bob