Thread: Ice Bear 10,000 Grit Waterstone

The hard stone thing comes from using one Jnat with various nagura . Imagine doing all your honing on the Ice Bear it would lose shape quickly.
With the pressures we use on razors a soft stone is no disadvantage at end game & only an issue at 1k - 4k if you are honing several razors at a time. Even then you will be using your diamond plate for slurry so it will get trued anyway, just will take more lapping than a hard stone.

I've only used the Nani 12k & would not call it hard . Maybe the 10k is harder for some reason.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

The hard stone thing comes from using one Jnat with various nagura . Imagine doing all your honing on the Ice Bear it would lose shape quickly.
With the pressures we use on razors a soft stone is no disadvantage at end game & only an issue at 1k - 4k if you are honing several razors at a time. Even then you will be using your diamond plate for slurry so it will get trued anyway, just will take more lapping than a hard stone.

I've only used the Nani 12k & would not call it hard . Maybe the 10k is harder for some reason.

Good morning oz, sorry to bother you over some fairly trivial issues. I have gotten smooth, shaveable results from finishing with the Ice Bear 10k, using the nagura stone to create a slurry. I am a fairly avid student of the art and I keep my eyes open to every bodies techniques, so come in Murray Carter, who swears by his backward honing style seems happy with his results. Your opinion mate?
I have a fairly average Robert Klaas solingen 5/8 that is Ok to shave with. I was considering breadknifing it and using Carters techniques only. I'm scared that it may work! If I am on the wrong path please tell me so. He also disagrees with slurry, your opinion? I tried to get a 12k nani but none were out there in the retail sense, and I figure that a nani 10k and an Ice Bear 10k get the job done well enough for me. (Until HAD returns), next on my bucket list is a fine natural....dream on. Cheers Bob

Originally Posted by bobski

Good morning oz, sorry to bother you over some fairly trivial issues. I have gotten smooth, shaveable results from finishing with the Ice Bear 10k, using the nagura stone to create a slurry. I am a fairly avid student of the art and I keep my eyes open to every bodies techniques, so come in Murray Carter, who swears by his backward honing style seems happy with his results. Your opinion mate?
I have a fairly average Robert Klaas solingen 5/8 that is Ok to shave with. I was considering breadknifing it and using Carters techniques only. I'm scared that it may work! If I am on the wrong path please tell me so. He also disagrees with slurry, your opinion? I tried to get a 12k nani but none were out there in the retail sense, and I figure that a nani 10k and an Ice Bear 10k get the job done well enough for me. (Until HAD returns), next on my bucket list is a fine natural....dream on. Cheers Bob

Hi Bob ~ Carter's backward honing was tried by many of us when it surfaced.. I was not one who tried as I had no need. My mousetrap works just fine so can't comment first hand.

I suggest you try it yourself & act on your findings. It may be something that suits you or not. Experimentation is the best teacher.

I never disagree with slurry. No point in arguing with powdered rock. It never listens.
Again just try & see what works for you. Slurry can be good or bad depending on the stone. It's not so cut n dried.

Hi Oz,
Mate I gave Murray Carters' technique (No I didn't strop on newspaper!) and for him it works, but like quite a few on our site it Does not work for me. I returned it(test razor) to it's prior shave - readiness state without much worry. So, we all have our idiosyncrasies but, I like a little diminishing slurry (As per Gssixgun), and going backwards, I save it for removing a burr etc. No real use for me. Each to their own, but I'll stay with the way that 'our' type works. (In general-conventional )

Cheera Bob

Vive la difference !