Yes, it is one of the hones that I shaped, but it is a rather new one. This one is different, I will pm some pictures. So far there has only been two of these shaped.
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Nice. That is what I thought. Just a suggestion, these stones are so hard you may try oil, glycerine, Smiths, liquid soap etc. If a suction is experienced, you may try torquing the blade up and away from the stone.. you may even see the extra hollow blade flex while doing this. Which is kind of cool.
Mike
My first time honing my first kamisori! This is a NOS Tosuke that came in from Japan last week. I've been watching kami honing videos all week until I felt I was ready to dive in. Being NOS, I decided I didn't want to use tape. I'm also not sure that I like the idea of tape on this type of razor. I set the bevel on the Chosera 1k and I was surprised by how fast it Responded to the stone. I then went through the Naniwa progression using a 10:1 ratio. Again I was surprised by how fast this blade moved through each stone with little more then weight of the blade. I finished it on the 12k, stropped it up and it responded very well on the HHT. Unfortunately I already shaved earlier today so the shave test will have to wait until tomorrow.
I was really looking forward to learning something new here. The truth is though, this kamisori was very easy to hone. I'm sure I have more to learn, but in many ways this was easier then honing a western razor. I suspect that learning to shave with it will be a bit more challenging, but maybe not.
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Today's honing was a good one I watched Dr. Matt's new video on how he corrects geometry problems. Since I go for function not looks 100% of the time I didn't care if I put hone wear on it if it would shave better. Performance > Appearance. A straight is just a tool to me. Others would disagree and that's ok too. For some they love their NOS $500 W&B with 0 hone wear. His technique is not for you fellows. To get back on topic his technique grinds the spine flat correcting warps and wobbles while taping the edge. Once the spine is straight the tape is taken off the edge and the razor is honed tape free to grind the edge and spine together.
I did that on a razor given to me by Collin (TrilliumLt) that I was having trouble getting an edge on. Well after using Matts geometry correction technique I easily honed it.
I did a fun progression of 1k king to my new hard coticule with water only for a couple hundred laps. I shave dangerously. Test shave to come later. What I like about this stage is I can refine on water to tweak the shave or take it to another stone to refine it further. The options from here are endless which is why I like to stop and test after 1k to coticule.
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Smooth and close shave. Very comfortable. 2 pass and I was where I wanted to be. Best of all now I don't have to fuss with tape for a touch up.
Ive honed with and without tape on kamisoris, the reason why some might use tape is that the omote (non stamped side) which sees most of the hone wear is generally a softer metal and can wear down at a faster rate. Yours obviously to your findings had no issues. The two Tosukes that i have are a dream to hone.
Shaving the traditional way with kamisoris with only the non stamped side against your face can be a bit tricky but im sure you'll have fun.:)
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Honed up several blades in the last few days, using these 3 stones. The blade pictured is a Dearden, one of the two, they are a matched set....
I started by removing small chips on the edge, using two layers of tape. As I progressed, I had to change the top tape once. As that second tape worn down, the chips went away and my double bevel was coming closer and closer to the "vintage bevel", at the same time. I thought that was a pretty cool "coincidence". Then I removed the second tape, killed the edge and kept on going, wearing down the first tape now and resetting the bevel. When I got close to the point of wrecking the tape, the bevel was set and I switched to the Suita. On slurry, this stone made short work of erasing Naniwa 1K marks. No pressure now, so the tape wasn't wearing at a fast rate any more. At the end of that, the tape was still good, the edge improved, visual inspection also showed up all good. I moved to the Shobu asagi and finished, still on the same tape. You can imagine my bevel after this exercise, is pretty close to the original bevel. In my mind, this should not have worked, but it did somehow and I am happy - I didn't put any more spine wear on the razor and I got it to shave well. Then I repeated the exercise on a couple of Klas Tornbloms, it worked like magic - this time with one tape: Bevel set with tape, then removed the tape and proceeded to the jnats. I didn't mind putting some mild hone wear on these, as they are pretty well preserved.
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Solitary Soldier-Thanks for the tip. I have been watching and learning a lot lately from Dr. Matt's videos. As it seems nearly every razor I own has issues (hone wear, uneven, warps, etc.), I have been thinking about trying this method as I get tired of constant "rocking and rolling" and other acrobatics trying to get all of an edge on the hone, but it's obviously not for the faint of heart for those of us who like our near-mint vintage blades and their pretty spines as you mentioned!
One other thing I learned from him is the cherry tomato test-honestly, it's better than all the other hone tests in my book. Unconventional techniques, but they seem very effective.
Not sure about cherry tomatoes, but I have a quandary.
Torn like an old sweater!
NOS Schlemper. Stropped it on my palm and it blows hairs away.
Should I strop and shave, or should I take it to the 12k and on to Escher with a layer of tape.
The hone is damp. I could do it! :rofl2:
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Sharptonn...strop and shave.
You can hone later, but can you unhone a NOS razor?
My first solo bevel set to 12k and CrOx pasted strop. Shave test was okay, but could be improved.
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Finally got my Morley Clover touched up on the Welsh slate set from AJ. Heavy slurry on the Dragon's Tongue to ensure bevel set, diluted to pure water, light slurry on the LM then some pure water laps, and finally a set of pure water and shave lather on the Black slate. Here she is on top of her finisher:
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It's been so long I forgot how good a blade honed on these feels. Very forgiving edge that wanted to cut hair, and not skin but sharp enough that a 1 pass shave with minor water only touch ups here and there gave me one of the closest and most comfortable shaves of my life. 2 years in and I might finally be getting the hang of this stuff! :beer1:
Never heard of oil with a coticule?
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While I don't have any NOS Big Buck Razors, I do have several that are precious to me as they were given to me. While none have any real problems IF they did, there is no way that I would butcher them by grinding away instead of taking the time and patience to hone them.
About the Cherry Tomato Test, a local newbie was all hot an horny about it so I decided to test it and by God it works! I tested it using a freshly sharpened Paring Knife.
Oh and Solitary Soldier, you don't need to use tape for a touch up. Glen Proved that and put the information out for us in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMchDtXzUO4
I tried 8K slurry on a PHIG today and the results look promising but I will find out for sure with the shave test tomorrow!
I thought I took the PHIG to just plain water but was surprised at the residue left when it dried.
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Friodur on Jnats, very relaxing session. The Nakayama felt like butter
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I don't post much in this section but I had some time so, 2 w&b specials, Franklin co. And my new Herr razor. Went back to 8k with the Herr to get some scratches out then on my 12k ss to finish. The others just got a touch up on the 12k ss.
The Herr had a great edge from the maker just the scratches bugged me so felt I should deal with it.
5 finished this weekend back out on Monday nice no nonsense batch with no issues.:)
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Honed this W&B up tonight.
I restored this blade so it had no bevel. I set that on the DMT.
The heel had an angle in it due to a large chip removal that I had preformed earlier and the corresponding shoulder had what looked like a dent in it.
So I threw a mini square piece of tape within the dent and then added 2 layers of tape to the whole spine.
It wasn't easy and it took some time to get the bevel fully set , also rounding out the chipped corner part.
I took it through the full Nagura progression and it passed the HHT, plus the leg tree top test (my speciality )
I just shaved a weeks worth of growth away and I can only say that it is the finest edge to date.
Butter smooth with no effort , every stroke was a delight . Against the grain left no trace of anything and the one handed fools pass was spot on.
Its hard to believe that the best looking razor I've seen also has the best edge .
Very happy.. and I also learnt a bit more in the blade correction department . Wade & Butcher I salute you :)
Cheers..
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Hones of the day are my 2new hones , from a famous german collector and honning expert .
La Loraine , 14x7 sm , is nothing like the coticule BBW stone - its coarser , its faster and softer It is packed with abrasive It change the edge for a few strokes .
Very usefull stone in the progretion .I absolutely love it Just seale mine with 2 coats of cyanoacrilate and 1 coat of cyanolyde glue , just for shine he he eh
The second stone is absolutely addorable small trans ark , it gave veeery nice edge and it has some very nice feedback I love it also .
Im very pleased with those 2 colectable stones .
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This evenings shave was the culmination of a few weeks of trial and error with an Arkansas stone progression.
T to B:
Norton/Pike No. 1 Washita
Dans Soft/Hard combo stone (soft up)
Dans Surgical Black
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Most of the time was spent on the Washita. I found refreshing the surface with a diamond plate and honing on mineral oil worked best for bevel setting. I messed around with burnishing it with a smaller piece of washita and that slowed it way down. I was able to set an intense bevel with this stone by burnishing it after the bevel was set, and doing a few hundred more laps, then burnishing again..
Some hard won swarf on the Hard arkie. About 1 hour on the soft, then 1 hour on the hard arkansas seemed to work. I lost count of laps.
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Tried lather on the SB.. why not. Worked pretty well i guess. It definitely gave the honing a very cushiony feel.
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The shave was better then expected. The TPT felt sticky but a.. 'dry' kinda sticky. While shaving the edge felt too keen like it would irritate my skin a bit but it didn't. No burn from alum or Osage rub. I was very surprised and quite pleased.
Im gonna keep the razor in the den and keep doing SB laps every week for about a month to see if i can push the edge any further.
Have a good night sirs.
MW76, I have a hard black Arkansas (SB). I have never spent an hour on it. Because of your recommendation I will dedicate one of my razors to it
and a lot of time to see how it comes out. I intend to use lather. Have you ever tried glycerin cut with a bit of alcohol? That's another option that
occurred to my strange mind.
Who is the "Dan" you refer To?
This is Dans..
http://www.danswhetstone.com
Im planning to grab some glycerin next time im in a store that has it, and i remember. I think i read you can cut it with kerosene.
The only other test ive done with the SB so far was to do a few hours a night for about a week, on a razor that had a decent coticle edge on it. I did thousands of laps with mineral oil. I thought that edge came out really nice. Smooth and keen.. almost felt mechanical, like a tiny weed wacker. It definitely changed the feel of the coticle edge.
My SB is very burnished on one side btw.. the other side is surfaced with 400 grit w/d. I started on the side i keep refreshed for a few hundred laps, then hit the burnished side for a few hundred more.
Arkenstones are fun and the edge is worth it! A blade from start to finish (washita to translucent) takes me about 20-50 minutes but it's not about how quick I can hone but about the final edge.
The fruits of tonight's labor:
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New (to me) Wade & Butcher up and shaving again. I've been on a bit of a Welsh slate kick, and what better way to hone Sheffield steel than a set of Welsh slates? OK, I cheated a little and set the bevel with the Naniwa 800 I just got. In retrospect this is probably where I went wrong. Underestimated just how deep some of the stria was from that stone. It was a bit deceptive and I think some of the deeper stria is still left over despite a significant chunk of time with heavy slurry on the Dragon's tongue. Still, it shaved pretty well. Might need to drop back to the Dragon's tongue and run through the set again, but I'm not sure how concerned I am with that last little bit I can squeak out of these stones. I know the razor will get there eventually.
Left to right: Dragon's Tongue, Llyn Melyllyn (Purple slate), Black Welsh slate.
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Yesterday afternoon finally got the chance to get some out of the road. Some I have had cleaned up for quite a while but still hadn't finished. From left to right. Wade and Butcher the celebrated, Torrey the artist, George Wostenholm ixl, HM Christensen, Engels wedge, Gold bug and Gold Dollar. All but the gd were bevel to finish. Chosera 1k then Naniwa ss 3, 5, 8, 12 and then different finishers. Used coti, Thuringian and Gok. 4 will be going to someone else so a variety of edges he can try to figure out what he likes. The gd just had a touch up with the 12k and crox.
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Figured I'd do a couple of W&Bs today. The first one was a touchup, maybe a tad bit more than that. The second one I've cleaned and polished today, so I went from 1K. Used the Japanese nagura to create slurry, both on the coticule and the Escher. Dilution worked very well on both stones, hardness being very similar, I was getting a bit of a mix there. Both razors were finished on water, on the Escher.
Next up is my Saito, which I finally decided to polish a bit to get some of the stains out. Think this is an interesting image, shows exactly where the belly is on the hollow.
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Dog tired from work I decided to squeeze in a quick sesh ..
I say quick but it was not :)
Honed up my Max Sprecher custom..
It passes all tests and looks good. I might not use it though, I always feel let down with 01 steel since discovering old Sheffield steel.
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Late hone session tonight.
DD, Cape 2000 by Tanifuji, and Ribbon "Super G" honed on 1k Chosera/ unknown suita/ Koma and tomonagura on Nakayama Maruka. Test shaves to follow
Nice stones and beautyfull razor Stefan
I am more modest - Just touching my shorty , old faithfull SI- Gi Solingen for the morning shave , with a cup of cofee and a pipe
The edge from The Trans ark i veeery good I realy enjoy , this litle fellow
Lubed with a watter and dish washing soap.
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