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01-04-2016, 02:36 AM #1
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Thanked: 237Well I've been busy trying to catch up on some honing and restoration projects. Add to that I just bought a true gem of a jnat. So first I dremel'd out a chip on this 15/16 butcher. I love these blades, and will always have at least a handful in my possession. As much as I wanted to put it to my new jnat I decided on the coticule instead. Then I took 4 blades to the lime kiita. It's an insane final polisher, very awesome feedback and results. The 4 blades honed on the jnat are iwasaki western tamahagane, friodur 472, wade and butcher, and a heljestrand mk32.
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01-04-2016, 04:25 PM #2
Touched up a Coral on a Nakayama sunashi suita with a tomonagura. The suita has a hard and soft side, but both about the same grit as far as I can tell. The softer side cuts like a chainsaw.
Cheers, Steve
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01-04-2016, 07:00 PM #3
Kind of a pin the tail on the donkey day.
First off, I am trying to figure out where this hone lives in my setup. I haven't done this before, so this is one challenge. Today I decided to use my synthetics up to 8K then go to this hone and shave, which I did.
The shave was unconditionally excellent.
Can I estimate grit now? Nope, but I'd shave off this hone any day. The next cool thing that happened today is that I decided to use Smith's on with this hone as I was not happy with water. First time with Smith's and it was disturbingly satisfying. I was prepared not to like it.
Then there is the razor, a sub $30.00 gamble which in an earlier time I would have said, thanks but no thanks. This stout wedge is a Plantagenet razor made to mount a blade guard. You can drop Plantagenet in the search box to learn more if interested.
And if this wasn't enough drama for one honing session...my 5K Chosera died today so I had to skip my normal climb up the grits. With some excellent feedback from fellow members I forged ahead.
In conclusion I learned something that I have read many times: Ugly can shave! Today is a great day in Montgomery County.
Oh yeah, and I think I could become a natural fan...if money grew on trees. I really like this hone which I assume now to be a Welsh Slate which was identified as such by a few of y'all."Call me Ishmael"
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01-04-2016, 07:03 PM #4
Beautiful stone sir!
Cheers, Steve
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01-04-2016, 08:40 PM #5
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Thanked: 237When I first started honing, I bought this nakayama on ebay. I put it away in the back of my hone drawer, and hadn't really looked at it for over 2 years or so. I took it out today to play with, and it's quite nice based off my initial attempts. It's red and purple mixed with a brownish tan color, which creates a green slurry when honing on just water. I guess I didn't like it when I started because it's smaller than what I would have liked, especially as a newbie.
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01-04-2016, 11:57 PM #6
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Thanked: 3795Something that I really like about Smith's Honing Solution is that you can dial in your preferred viscosity by varying the amount of water that you add to it. Just put on some Smith's and hone a little and keep adding water drop by drop until you get it where you like it. For most hones I end up at about 50/50.
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01-05-2016, 12:24 AM #7
Interesting comments Ron and WW243. Smith's is advertised as a non-petroleum solution of emolients, rust inhibitors and lubricators. The MSDS does not contain the ingredients and as far as I can tell, there's no CAS. So it's pretty innocuous - but I mention it for a couple of reasons.
One, is it safe to use on natural waterstones and synthetics like the Shapton Pro which Shapton cautions against using soap? Does Smith's say anything?
Second, just plain curiosity. Alex sent me a small sample bottle of Shaklee Basic H (not Basic H2) which is sold as an all purpose cleaner suitable for glass, etc. you could feel the film strenght honing, and the water spread out nicely over a hard polished Jnat surface. When I looked at the MSDS/CAS, I found that it was mostly surfactant and bore a close resemblance to JetDry, the anti-spotting stuff you put in the dishwasher. So I tried a slution of JetDry and it worked as well.
Cheers, Steve
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01-05-2016, 12:31 AM #8
I used it full strength, a few drops and I could coat the stone. I was amazed how different it felt with the razor compared with water/slurry.
The counterintuitive part is that the stone with water felt like honing on glass, and the hone with the Smith's had a relevant amount of feedback. I'll spearmint with dilution.Last edited by WW243; 01-05-2016 at 12:37 AM.
"Call me Ishmael"
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01-05-2016, 03:21 AM #9
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Thanked: 351OK, you've all shamed me into posting a picture... Be it on your heads!
On a more serious note... I've been grumbling over my HAD situation, thinking of flogging a Coticule I've not used in years, but all these *nat* photos made me think about it and maybe... just maybe... I should give the old Coti another whirl. I grabbed my trusty Carbo Magnetic 4/8" or perhaps it's 11/16", and took it for a few victory laps on the Coti. I must say, the edge seems pretty nice, I'll have to shave test it tomorrow. It's funny how the mind plays tricks on you.... the old saying "familiarity breeds contempt" rings very true in this case...
It's a lousy picture, I just used my phone, but the hone is an 8" x 3" and is sitting on a Shapton stone holder. No, it does not fit tightly, but it doesn't seem to matter. Thankfully, my Naniwa SS hones fit perfectly.
Regards
Christian"Aw nuts, now I can't remember what I forgot!" --- Kaptain "Champion of lost causes" Zero
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01-05-2016, 04:34 PM #10
I don't know if I am a better honer because I waited until later in my honing career to get one of these but I did all 3 blades up to shave ready with ease. Going from using the dilucot on a coticule to using a 4/8k norton is a huge difference. I was used to the dilucot/unicot procedure and it's hit and miss.. I've got to say it's so easy to hone a blade on a Norton 4/8k. Honestly I thought I would have to dick around with the blades like on a natural but no straight to the point. The point of shave ready. I can only imagine if I bought one of these to begin with the skill I would have now. No wonder these stones are recommended. I now know why. Not claiming to be an expert now but if you've been using coticules from the start a Norton 4/8k is much much easier and more efficient to use. Maybe not a better finisher but to get to shave ready hands down norton 4/8k for the win.
For a first attempt I'll be shave testing later but the blades passed all my tests for shave ready with flying colours. Going to become my work horse hone I can see that now
Update both bottom razors a GD 208 and Dovo Best Quality were shave ready. Got a close clean shave with minimal if any irritation. Super easy hones to use now on to a finisher.Last edited by s0litarys0ldier; 01-06-2016 at 01:10 AM.