Thread: Progression to a Coti - redoing my progression.

I have a 1k Naniwa specialty stone that I started using recently.
From here I go to a 6k King.

I would like to go to a 5k Naniwa SS and eliminate the King because I find it's a big jump and I spend some time on there easing the marks from the 1k.

From there I plan on going to a Coti.

Does this make sense or should I be looking at another option?

Also I'm just looking to upgrade overall from the king I like the feel of the Naniwa SS.

If you like the naniwa the 5k makes sense. You could try it with the coticule as the finisher and if worse comes to worse add an 8k super stone. I know 1k-5k-8k-12k is a very nice progression. If you've had good luck with the coticule the 1-5-coti might be all you need. Unlike the synthetics they are not all the same.

Hi Jimmy,
is the 8K and Coti around the same? Does it make sense to buy the 8K?
Maybe the coti can be used as the finisher just to put that "coti" edge...

Originally Posted by daverojo77

Hi Jimmy,
is the 8K and Coti around the same? Does it make sense to buy the 8K?
Maybe the coti can be used as the finisher just to put that "coti" edge...

You have to try it to know for sure. Some cotis might be 8k, some might be even higher equivalently. But you won't know for sure until you take a shot at it. If it is good enough than you are fine. If it is not, you might consider the synthetic options.

I use the Norton combos the 220 for the nicks and chips and 1000 to set my bevel I progress to 4000 then 8000 finally I use the coti it's just a great finisher it's works

You may not get that much benefit from the 5 -6k jump.

The goal of the next stone in the progression post 1k is to remove all the deep stria.

You may find a 3-4K post 1k much better. Removing 1k stria is key in the final finish, too high and you are in the same boat, especially for new honers, because most will not spend enough time on the higher grit stones.

If you put in the time it will work, but really not all that different from what you have, also when switching brands grit sizes don’t always perform the same, so you might try it before you buy.

A coticule should work fine from a 3-4k finish, as long as you remove all the 1k.
Coticules are some of the most varying stones in performance and hardest to master, slurry can be an art form.

Everything you are saying makes sense. 2 things I was trying to do is keep all the stones from 1k before the Coti the same MGF.
I spend a bunch of time on the 6k getting rid of the 1 K marks.

So based on what you're saying I'm better off 1k, 3k, 5K, 8K, Coti?
As I said in my OP I'm trying to eliminate the King 6K from my 1k to finish progression

Originally Posted by Euclid440

You may not get that much benefit from the 5 -6k jump.

The goal of the next stone in the progression post 1k is to remove all the deep stria.

You may find a 3-4K post 1k much better. Removing 1k stria is key in the final finish, too high and you are in the same boat, especially for new honers, because most will not spend enough time on the higher grit stones.

If you put in the time it will work, but really not all that different from what you have, also when switching brands grit sizes don’t always perform the same, so you might try it before you buy.

A coticule should work fine from a 3-4k finish, as long as you remove all the 1k.
Coticules are some of the most varying stones in performance and hardest to master, slurry can be an art form.

Depends on the stones, not all 1k’s for example are the same. They are all 1k grit but will cut dramatically different.

So cross brand honing takes some trial and error. I generally use a 5 synthetic manufacture hone progression because I was trying to tailor each stone for max performance, yes way over the top… And really a good 4 Norton or Naniwa progression would probably work just as well, certainly the end result would be much the same. But I have all the Norton’s, Nanaiwa, Super Stone and a few Nubatama’s and tons of naturals. They can be mixed and matched but a King 6K might perform much like a 5k Super Stone because of the binder alone.

Here is a good thread I started about the next stone after the 1k, I call it the Transition Stone, may give you something to think about and hopefully help you make a decision.

Going through a progression and from an 8k to a coticule sure won’t hurt, but you can easily go from a 3-4k to Coticule, or even off a 1K. But you will spend some time on the Coticule with a slurry or BBW. Just make sure your progression is a true progression.

As stated by Euclid440, slurry can be an art form and once you learn how to use it is a big plus when honing, it does take time and patience to learn. I use it with everything except the Chinese (12k?) and Translucent Arkansas.

Here is a sequence I use on most razors using just three hones from bevel set to finish, ready to shave;

A while back I picked up a Naniwa 2k Green Brick (very reasonably priced for a huge hone) and although it was rated at 2k according to the description could run from 2k to 5 or 6k depending on the consistency of the slurry. I use a Chosera 1k to set the bevel, go to the Green Brick starting with heavy slurry and diluting gradually to plain water, move on to a Select Coticule followed by Crox pasted leather paddle strop, Ferrous Oxide pasted leather paddle strop, finish on SRD poly fabric and leather strop and get great results most of the time. If test shave isn't satisfactory I'll add the Chinese or the Arky followed by the pasted strops, etc., etc. YMMV

we will see how it goes I just got the 5k Naniwa so now i'm doing 1k, 5k and coti.
I think I'll get an 8K next though but we'll see