Thread: And all of a sudden... I solved my coticule. (Slurry Dulling Convo Continued...)

Some coticules dull in slurry no matter what you try. I've owned several of them. I am happy this worked for you. I owned a coticule once that as soon as you ran a razor through it's slurry (3 strokes TOPS) the razor was a butter knife again.

Originally Posted by SirMike

Do you happen to have a source for these or do I need to just search online? Will they work with the Coticule from a La Veille Rouge de Regne vein?
Thx.

I use them on all my stones..well almost all my stones

For hones they work well. They are usually used after the swarf gets dirty and the hone starts looking like it is filled with metal dust. I find them at local yard sales, ebay, antique stores and many old machinists have some in their tool boxes if asked nicely. They were often found in sets of three shapes and used to polish molds for the plastic's industry.
They were often used for knife sharpening and many were placed in a sheath pocket on a knife sheath from a knife factory.
~Richard

You could also call or email the Dan's Whetstone Co. in Arkansas. They might have small pieces laying around from making larger hones and would sell you a 1"x2" or something like that inexpensively




Just checked they have 3"x1"x1/4' pocket ones for $20 Ark Translucent

Originally Posted by Disburden

Some coticules dull in slurry no matter what you try. I've owned several of them. I am happy this worked for you. I owned a coticule once that as soon as you ran a razor through it's slurry (3 strokes TOPS) the razor was a butter knife again.

Agreed , you don't believe in slurry dulling because of one honing session that went well? Slurry dulling is real. Take any shave ready razor and make a slurry on your coticule. Make a few strokes and strop and shave with it. If you can honestly tell me the edge got better and didn't dull I will box up my collection and send them your way..

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Agreed , you don't believe in slurry dulling because of one honing session that went well? Slurry dulling is real. Take any shave ready razor and make a slurry on your coticule. Make a few strokes and strop and shave with it. If you can honestly tell me the edge got better and didn't dull I will box up my collection and send them your way..

I thought the way you phrased this was a little offensive. Not because you disagree at first glance, but because it took a pretty adversarial tone. It reads like someone who skimmed what I wrote and then said "hey, junior, settle down..." That was, to me, a little slimy, designed to make me feel small more than it did bring to the discussion.

It wasn't a very thoughtful response, most definitely unfit of the type of gentlemen we hold ourselves to be. If that is how a senior member encourages junior members, I'm a little disappointed. I know credibility is almost like a currency on internet shaving forums, but is it a pre-requisite?


I also question your definition of "honesty," and by that I mean to expose some fallacies in your truth orientations. There's no real tangible marker here. If we both transmit our experiences over the internet, what makes your findings correct over mine? Any more credible over mine? If I were to view a video of yours on youtube...does that mean your theory is automatically correct? Does your having more posts on this specific forum mean anyone with significant lower numbers is automatically barred from critically thinking about his hones?

2. If you are willing to believe I took up your offer and "honestly told you my edge got better after slurry" and you would "box up" your collection for my intended receipt, isn't that a pretty good indication of your capacity for willful suspension of disbelief? It seems to me in the very least you're completely capable of believing me. So your argument reads as follows: "I need either credibility or proof."

3. Many have reported success with a shave ready razor on slurry. Many, for example, have reported a preference for finishing on slurry, and not water. Many, according to the gentleman you quoted, also found this thread enlightening http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthr...ot-Method-quot; someone who slurry-finishes, and is also more likely to have more experience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dl0dbnEj3c

; "the master at work" refreshing his slurry, only as he goes, only with less viscosity, plus credibility—that's a lot of time in the mud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

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4. Didn't you recently start a thread recently entire inspired from one honing session? I noticed a difference in your tone there.

5. I don't believe in the concept of slurry dulling because men more persuasive that you (at this point) have inspired me to think critically about my hones. I believe in auto slurry dulling, which will change from stone to stone. I don't believe this because of one hone session. I believe this because I repeated it 7 times over on my coticule, had better results on my BBW, similar results on my other coticule—will try again on my other coticule, and will do the same when my "la lorraine" layer arrives.

It seems I should be sending you my stones.

I didn't mean to offend you, that was never the intention. Of course I love coticules and want as many people to use them as possible. That's what gets the promotion of their use around and new methods and techniques can be discovered. Great information can be shared. No credibility isn't everything on a forum. I never said that was. I believe you are taking this way to seriously. Do not bring post counts into this and think I said what I said because you have a lower post count or less time on a forum. I would have said that to anyone who proclaimed slurry dulling is not real. That's my opinion. I would appreciate if you stop trying to make this into something it is not. It was not a personal attack on you it was my opinion on a hone I hold dear to my heart.

If you don't believe in slurry dulling.. that's your choice. I just think you should try what I mentioned. Take a shave ready edge and make a slurry. Do 50 light finishing strokes. Strop and shave.

The purpose of diluting is to slowly undo the damage left by the slurry.

Slurry makes the coticule cut faster but also leaves the edge more damaged unless diluted correctly.

You don't have to believe what I say just don't get butt hurt when you make bold statements and someone steps up to offer there opinion. Gentlemen can disagree..

You should be happy you got your coticule to work for you by starting with a heavy slurry and diluting to plain water.

If you look here Slurry dulling ... Real or Fantasy? | The Coticule Club
You will see my opinion is the same no matter who asks the question.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

I didn't mean to offend you, that was never the intention. Of course I love coticules and want as many people to use them as possible. That's what gets the promotion of their use around and new methods and techniques can be discovered. Great information can be shared. No credibility isn't everything on a forum. I never said that was. I believe you are taking this way to seriously. Do not bring post counts into this and think I said what I said because you have a lower post count or less time on a forum. I would have said that to anyone who proclaimed slurry dulling is not real. That's my opinion. I would appreciate if you stop trying to make this into something it is not. It was not a personal attack on you it was my opinion on a hone I hold dear to my heart.

If you don't believe in slurry dulling.. that's your choice. I just think you should try what I mentioned. Take a shave ready edge and make a slurry. Do 50 light finishing strokes. Strop and shave.

The purpose of diluting is to slowly undo the damage left by the slurry.

Slurry makes the coticule cut faster but also leaves the edge more damaged unless diluted correctly.

You don't have to believe what I say just don't get butt hurt when you make bold statements and someone steps up to offer there opinion. Gentlemen can disagree..

You should be happy you got your coticule to work for you by starting with a heavy slurry and diluting to plain water.

I'm all ready over it. No worries. I got no resentments, and I appreciate the apology.

Originally Posted by J743

I'm all ready over it. No worries. I got no resentments, and I appreciate the apology.

OK I appreciate your side of the argument too. Its great to question your stones. I do every day. Sometimes I can come off a little "abrasive" so I'm glad you let me know I was sounding like an a**.

Haha, that was an amusing read. SolitarySoldier is correct in his assessment that you can't form that conclusion off of one stone though. Especially in this case. I don't have much coticule experience, but I've already seen there can be quite a wide variance between stones.

I had a small rubbing stone that I traded with him. My original rubbing stone was very hard. I would say I had to rub it on my PHIG a good 75 strokes to see a light slurry. The one he sent me in exchange is very soft. Within 10 to 15 passes on the same stone the slurry becomes very thick and milky.

I haven't had a chance to see what difference this will make at the edge of a razor, but it was very interesting to see such a variance in the stone. I imagine a coticule made of a hard material like my original would be very easy and intuitive for me to work with, and rather difficult to create slurry dulling with as it would behave much like the stones I am familiar with. Whereas a softer one like the one I received would require a different skillset and technique than I'm used to.

Originally Posted by J743

I don't believe in the concept of slurry dulling because men more persuasive that you (at this point) have inspired me to think critically about my hones. I believe in auto slurry dulling,

If you believe one kind of slurry dulls and the other does not, then what do you consider to be different about the two kinds of slurries?

By the way, in my opinion there are three kinds of slurries.
1. auto slurry
2. rubbing stone slurry
3. diamond plate slurry