Utopian, what you say makes perfect sense. And the fact that a very shape edge cant reflect directly up... i had figured that you couldnt see the edge with the naked eye but figured with a loupe you would be able to see it. I was wrong. This has helped me a lot! I now know im close but not close enough on my bevel set.

This is great! It now has given me a real thing to check for when bevel setting. Not just a feel. I know i will get it next time. Well, the next time i get a chance to get home and get my hands on a hone that is. Thanks all for the support and help.