Thread: Honemeister at work

It didn't upset me at all. It was actually a treat for me as you'd say.

Where you are wrong is saying "may work" and "moderate expectations".

I read this as either you cannot achieve or do not want to achieve great results with a tweaked variation of this method. Dismissing it as uncivilized is quite the cop out blanket statement.

Reading the results of a single man's test is different from actually doing something. Do you believe everything you read no questions asked?


"...and mind that temper...." who are you again?





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You know what the stupid thing is...I started writing a reply to the person that started the thread.
Before I found the link...it took me a while as I have not read the whole story for some years...you got to post...and mine came straight after that...then your response.

So bad timing...
Aniway..to answer your question...
Nobody...i'm nobody.
Have a nice day!

If you're razors are nothing but a "tool", where the idea of wearing them down and eventually just tossing them is your thing, then his method is probably fine.

Would I take a pristine Wade & Butcher, or a Mappin Bros., Lancet Edge razor, a fine Tamahagane Japanese razor, or any other fine razors and perform that sharpening technique on them...not in a million years.

And his claim that tape, completely destroys the geometry of a razor has been debunked many times.

I was also taught to treat my tools with respect, and they in turn will provide me with years and years of service.

I can't see how "grinding" away at a razor the way he does shows much respect for the tool...but as always, if it works for him and others, fair enough.

But I can't just help but wonder, what would a virtually NOS vintage Sheffield blade look like when he was done with it...think there'd be some spine wear / damage???

Originally Posted by Phrank

"If you're razors are nothing but a "tool", where the idea of wearing them down and eventually just tossing them is your thing, then his method is probably fine."

This depends on how this method is utilized. In the original video he knocks the edge right off his razor and hones from the bottom up. I'll explain this further down.

"I was also taught to treat my tools with respect, and they in turn will provide me with years and years of service.

I can't see how "grinding" away at a razor the way he does shows much respect for the tool...but as always, if it works for him and others, fair enough."

I have seen conventional razor honers set a bevel "grind" with similar technique or a lower grit hone. That initial grind on the 1k is to set the bevel, not unlike what we all do before we start refining the edge.


"But I can't just help but wonder, what would a virtually NOS vintage Sheffield blade look like when he was done with it...think there'd be some spine wear / damage???"

If he went back to 1k every time he sharpened then it would unquestionably wear at a rate that far exceeds the conventional methods. He has stated he doesn't drop to 1k unless he needs to. So essentially he would be touching up on a 6k and newspaper or chromium oxide loaded strop. There are many people who touch up on pasted strops.

Just a few thoughts on your thoughts. Ymmv and all that fun pointless stuff we bicker about here.

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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

"...and mind that temper...." who are you again?

Same question can be asked about you seeing how you are attacking anyone that does not agree with your views of Carter's method.

Lets calm down here and act in a civilized manner so that the thread can continue its existence.

Originally Posted by mainaman

Same question can be asked about you seeing how you are attacking anyone that does not agree with your views of Carter's method.

Lets calm down here and act in a civilized manner so that the thread can continue its existence.

I'm not attacking people. I'm simply voicing my opinions on the video like we all do. Mine however does not line up with most people and I don't sugar coat things..

I do not care what people use to hone their straight razors. That's up to them. I do however get sick of a world reknowned Canadian born knife maker being strung up and beat like a pinata because he's got different views then the razor community.

I guess you're a little late to the party because we already kissed and made up earlier in the thread.

I appreciate you looking out for the forum's best interest. That's what I love about SRP.

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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

I do not care what people use to hone their straight razors. That's up to them. I do however get sick of a world reknowned Canadian born knife maker being strung up and beat like a pinata because he's got different views then the razor community.

Who is stringing him up? No one has brought him up to put him down as far as I remember, the guy is irrelevant in the razor honing circles, he is a knife maker and sharpener.

Here is some history which you may not be familiar with. Carter started making kamisori at one point, and gave up pretty fast when folks started complaining that they were not performing properly, that is a fact.

Someone from this forum posted and invitation to a razor meet, in a comment to one of Carter's honing videos, that member was banned and the post deleted. That is a fact. This was not a one sided affair. I am not sure if you were around when this topic was discussed here on the forum, but Carter would argue points that make no sense as far as razors are concerned.

I guess you're a little late to the party because we already kissed and made up earlier in the thread.

You went off on another member as well, and if you read carefully no one made up, most times it is just wiser to not bang one's head against the wall. The wall will not move no matter what.

I appreciate you looking out for the forum's best interest. That's what I love about SRP.

Thank you

Originally Posted by mainaman

Who is stringing him up?

Here is some history which you may not be familiar with. Carter started making kamisori at one point, and gave up pretty fast when folks started complaining that they were not performing properly, that is a fact.


This was not a one sided affair.

You went off on another member as well, and if you read carefully no one made up, most times it is just wiser to not bang one's head against the wall. The wall will not move no matter what.


Thank you

I could continue this argument but it has undoubtedly run it's course.

Guys, can we just agree to dissagree here...
We are indeed intiteled to our own opinions.
And we can sustain our opinions with arguments in a civilised way.

A lot of people come heare to learn about razors and honing and the direction this thread is going is not constructive for the comunity or newcommers.

Yess Solitarysoldier did have a inflamable temper about my opinion even thoug I was not adressing him at the moment...but i'm sure if I would have repplied with a queto to the user who opened the topic the discussion may have had a diffrent course.

About kissing and making up...I realy dont care that much about this things...we are not friends nor famili for making up to matter.

I came to SRP knowing little and beeing a part of this comunity made me learn and grow...it has helped me a lot...especialy in helping others get their way around whet shaving and not making the same mistakes I made.

It cost me a small fortune to get trough he blades and hones I did and thousands of hours of restoring and honing...
If I post something I want what i say to help people the same way I was helped when I came here...I always try to sustain my posts with facts and arguments from the start to avoid further discution.

If anyone can learn ...fine...if they dont agree ...thats fine too as long as we are civilised about it.

I never escalated a conflict and never will...

Let's move on...nothing to see here)

Maybe for a Gold Dollar but not for any of my razors. No sir.

I tried MC's technique on some kitchen knives. It was OK but like Marshall said, why create a burr and knock it off when you don't have to. I learned to hone about 45 yrs ago and my method works fine. If MC's method works for a newbie, good for them. They might save the hundreds of hours that I spent scraping a Hard Arkie wondering why the knife didn't shave yet!