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    Quote Originally Posted by cau View Post
    My modern La Grise is smooth to the touch, even fingernail, but has some 'tooth' when honing. I get a similar scratch pattern with both of my coticules. And a nice friendly edge, provided the edge is set properly. When I choose to kill an edge and restart, the dilucot is hit or miss for me. I'm too stubborn to use synthetics and not yet ready to splurge on an Escher; an unfortunate Limbo to be in...
    I don't find my Thuringer hones to be better than my Coticule tbh; though they are consistent

    I was also stubborn and didn't feel like using synthetics, but I'm glad that I did. Taking out of the equation the entire slurry thing and unicots and dilucots made my life endlessly easier.
    It was always a hit or a miss, ergo I wanted consistency and went to synthetics, and only use my Coticules for pure finishing nowadays, muuuuch easier.

    I also severely doubt that my inherited Coticule was ever used with slurry, I don't think it has been, and was purely used as a finishing stone.

    Even-though they're capable of everything from bevel setting to finishing, it's too much hassle and too inconsistent in my hands.
    Although my best ever shaving edge came from a Dilucot on a BBW (La Nouvelle Veine) Go figure. Although very hard to replicate the results.

    Next shave is gonna bea Coticule edge done on oil and a BBW edge done on oil
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    I have a La Grise from the same period and my only gripe is that it tends to flake from time to time & it also tends to auto slurry. Really left me at a loss for a decent edge. The way the OP is using it is probably the best most will get from this stone. They do tend to have this cool holographic look to them and I suspect it’s the way the thin layers are stacked on each other that does this. I suspect that this also why some of these may have a tendency to flake.

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    I don't have experienced flaking with my modernly mined La Grise, yet.

    However my vintage one does have it!


    I can't tell a difference between oil vs running water on the Coticule, it's about the same result

    Also the BBW's edge was a little rougher

    Mimics all my previous attempts, a Coticule under running water purely as a finisher is for me the best method to get my preferred edge
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    I have honed for years just using dilucot with consistent edges with a thew coticule s. Lovely edges but I did find in tough spots I was lacking a little something. Having used Naniwa up to 20 k G with outstanding performance and results the only thing I noticed, I was left with a little burning hot sensation post shave this only lasted 10 minutes or so. I do have thick
    Stubble but sensitive skin. Since I have stopped at the 8 k then coticule water and my face prefers it. I also do the same method except I miss the 8 k out and go 3 k straight to 10 k 100 strokes on the coticule and the results are really nice . I tried the same thing with 12 k / coticule no probs what so ever smooth keen and skin freindly. I have at least ten resent mined coticule s that I need to test there all la grise apart from some la grosse Jaune .

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary haywood View Post
    I have honed for years just using dilucot with consistent edges with a thew coticule s. Lovely edges but I did find in tough spots I was lacking a little something. Having used Naniwa up to 20 k G with outstanding performance and results the only thing I noticed, I was left with a little burning hot sensation post shave this only lasted 10 minutes or so. I do have thick
    Stubble but sensitive skin. Since I have stopped at the 8 k then coticule water and my face prefers it. I also do the same method except I miss the 8 k out and go 3 k straight to 10 k 100 strokes on the coticule and the results are really nice . I tried the same thing with 12 k / coticule no probs what so ever smooth keen and skin freindly. I have at least ten resent mined coticule s that I need to test there all la grise apart from some la grosse Jaune .
    Nice, I completely follow you in your methods.

    10 more to test La Grise AND La Grosse Jaune? Damn, you're in for some sweet shaves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary haywood View Post
    I have honed for years just using dilucot with consistent edges with a thew coticule s. Lovely edges but I did find in tough spots I was lacking a little something. Having used Naniwa up to 20 k G with outstanding performance and results the only thing I noticed, I was left with a little burning hot sensation post shave this only lasted 10 minutes or so. I do have thick
    Stubble but sensitive skin. Since I have stopped at the 8 k then coticule water and my face prefers it. I also do the same method except I miss the 8 k out and go 3 k straight to 10 k 100 strokes on the coticule and the results are really nice . I tried the same thing with 12 k / coticule no probs what so ever smooth keen and skin freindly. I have at least ten resent mined coticule s that I need to test there all la grise apart from some la grosse Jaune .
    Gary, have you found multiple light slurry sessions (diluted down to water) helpful after doing an initial dulicot starting with medium slurry? I tried this yesterday evening and got much better results than I thought possible. I think when people read about or attempt dulicot there’s an assumption that a single session is all that’s needed. But when I follow this with a couple of light slurry dulicot attempts followed by finishing under a dripping faucet the desired end result is actually there for me at least.
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    I tried every trick in the book with Coticules . There is no doubt a good used flax linen really aids a coticule edge . Coticule is trial and error what works one day may not another day . When I hit the sweet spot the results are amazingly different to any stone out there wheather it be natural or synthetic whetstone. I just got to a point now where I just leave slurry out all together. I have 9 top notch razors 5 of them are finished with coticule and 4 finished 20 kG this gives me best of both

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    I find going back and forth between the strop and the coticule at the finishing stage helps me get to that sweet spot.

    I am still on the fence with respect to the utility of slurrying, especially after setting a bevel on the chosera 1k. The slurry tends to be more dulling than anything and I prefer to use more strokes and pressure on the coticule after bevel setting instead.
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    I had to reset the bevel on a 4/8 Wade & Butcher (it is 4/8 now, but was probably not born that way). Decided to use my combo coticule since I was watching the US election results and didn’t feel in a hurry.

    Started with rolling X-strokes on the BBW side with slurry, gradually diluting to just water. Stopped when the TPT felt good. Cut arm hair off the skin.

    Then went to the coticule side with no slurry, just water with a little bit of dish soap in it. Kept refreshing the water until the edge really popped arm hairs. The last 10 or so passes were weight of the blade only.

    Finished on a Vermio weight of the blade only.

    Shaved with the blade this morning and found it needed some strokes on my CrOx coated balsa strop. Pretty good 2-pass shave with minimal irritation.
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    I've been using slurry for the past 10 years ad nauseam, while some can work magic with it, I can't get consistent results, at least not for finishing a razor.

    A BBW with slurry has superb sharpening properties and leaves very sharp well cutting edges, albeit not as smooth as the Coticule side can ime. I also love fast Cotis with slurry to set bevels.
    Works like charm. But it takes some time to work the magic.

    I like the simplicity, efficiency, ease of use and speed of the Naniwa stones.

    Although the 12k leaves only a tiny bit to be desired for me, enter a Coticule with water, my exclusive finisher nowadays.


    Pastes is something I never really considered until recently.

    I ordered a duo pack of Herold - Dovo Red and Black paste that should arrive in the next few days, I'll try the black paste first on a fine shaving Coticule edge and see if improvements occur.


    I remember I was once in a local store that sells SR goodies and the owner raved about the red paste.
    I'm not knowledgeable enough about CrOx; I also read people raving about the Puma green paste.

    Onto trying new things!
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