Oh sorry guys! Yes i strop, i do about 30-60 strokes on my vintage horse hide strop. the conclusion to my problem was once again fixed by Lynn's input.
i did 5 strokes on the 8k, 10 on the 12k and then 5 on paste. I looked at the edge through my microscope and it was perfect! I shaved this morning and it was great no pulling just wiped the hairs clean away. now would getting a Coticle make my life easier? By easier i mean not having to use the 12k and paste.