Thread: Jnat progression

So you want a Jnat to jump from 1k synthetic ? Will need to be a hard aggressive cutter or you'll be shaving with a polished 1k edge.

You could use something like a Tsushima slurry stone on a Yaginoshima Asagi or Suita.

It's quite tedious doing early stage work with Jnats vs synthetics IMO.

Originally Posted by onimaru55

So you want a Jnat to jump from 1k synthetic ? Will need to be a hard aggressive cutter or you'll be shaving with a polished 1k edge.

You could use something like a Tsushima slurry stone on a Yaginoshima Asagi or Suita.

It's quite tedious doing early stage work with Jnats vs synthetics IMO.

Yes that's what I'm looking for. Thanks.

It's a funny thing. It seems our lives have become too easy. We have begun to complicate them on purpose whereas our predecessors tried with all their might make life easier. Perhaps they were too successful. As SRP stands as testament we are finding ways to complicate them because apparently the hard way may actually satisfy us more. If this endeavor suits your fancy then it seems to me that following Kees' advice is a good path to follow. Sadly I have no help to offer except encouragement. I hope you find a way that works for you.

I have got this one: https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Nagur...1917825&sr=8-1
Mine unfortunately came without the fancy box (different vendor). Creates a pretty fast cutting slurry that hones out barely visible chips easily (about 100 roundtrips if that can be called easy).

Originally Posted by Kees

I have got this one: https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Nagur...1917825&sr=8-1
Mine unfortunately came without the fancy box (different vendor). Creates a pretty fast cutting slurry that hones out barely visible chips easily (about 100 roundtrips if that can be called easy).

Do also have a Yaginoshima Asagi or Suita? Where do you use that Nagura from Amazon for??

I now raise slurry with a Atoma Diamond Plate 400grit or TomoNagura stone. Was wondering if I can use that also with a Yaginoshima Asagi or Suita. An Atoma 400 creates an good slurry very quickly (and also flattens the stone at the same time)

The dmt raises a coarser slurry than just the nagura stones so that helps in the beginning stages. I also have the black nagura...

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I cant read this stuff. It also helps grind away the deap stria. From there its the standard 4 nagura stones up to Tomo. Its slow going but can be done. I found i normally had to jump back a couple times before i was completely satisfied in the edge when going this route so it takes even longer.

So if you want to go from bevel set to finish it can be done. I just found it takes way too long. YMMV.

You can do it, but finding the stone that will is not that easy. Look for a dark (dull egg or brownish) ‘kiita’ that’s extremely fast and extremely fine. As with all razor finishers, the ‘extremely fine’ part is the difficulty and when you add any other trait to the mix like ‘super fast’, that really thins the herd a LOT. I’m talking about a really good razor finisher that makes a smooth edge, not one that you can just shave with the edge from, many will do that.

You’re trying to find a stone that’s at best 2% of all of them. Think buying 100 jnats and one will do that. The one above can do it and I have another that can also bridge that gap. I glassed a Gold Dollar and confirmed a dead edge, then re-set the bevel using diamond plate slurry - keep in mind that the bevel was nearly set anyway. Then I went to tomo slurry diluting and reducing pressure. I probably did a few clear water strokes but this stone is fine enough not to really need them.

The most expedient approach is to make your progression 2 jnats instead of one, that’s fairly easy.

As said go with Nagura, rather than buying stones to experiment with until you find the right one.

As Oz said and Jerry’s pic showed, a Tsushima slurry stone will get you there and remove all the deep stria, fairly quickly with circles and half laps. You can pick one up for about $30.

You can make Jnat honing as complicated or simple as you want. Diamond slurry works with some stones and better with others, experiment with different grits, 400 will produce different slurry than 1k. and a hard tomo will produce different slurry than 1k diamond.

Buying tomo nagura is cheaper than buying full size stones. Once you find a combination that works, then buy full size stones of the tomo that worked. No guarantee, as they are Natural stones, but you will be closer than just buying random stones.

Or as said much earlier, work with a known, experienced stone dealer and explain what you are looking for, Jnat honing is like any honing, as your technique improves so too will need for a large progression.

Look at some of Alex Gilmore’s videos, (The Japan Stone) he often goes from 1k King to Diamond slurry and finishes on thin diamond slurry, very quickly. Now Alex has honed a lot of steel and has a few stones to choose from, but his videos are informative and interesting.

Nakayama Kita #9 Huge Bench Stone

It is a very soft stone and will raise a lot of slurry on a coarse hone, I use it on my Jnat barber hone and Ozuku Mizu Asagi, both finishing hones.

Some very good info here. Many roads can take you to your destination.
I have suitas that will bridge the gap, I have finishers that with tomo will polish but with a worn 1200 atoma will take you from 1k easily. What I find myself using at this point of my journey, mikawa nagura. Can't say why, wouldn't say its better or worse, just I enjoy using them. Maybe down the road I will change.

All rocks need to be tested, buying a stone based on name means nothing. They are natural rocks and also people make names up Oh, also just because a mikawa nagura is stamped doesnt mean it will work. My friend Srdjan and I bought a set and he took the botan and mejiro. Well the botan is flat and lacks cutting power. Natural stones.