Thread: Dovo’s honing method

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So again a BS theory that Jarrod claimed on another forum yet no real hands on proof

Stop already

Honestly I think your high feelings over this issue are making you take my comments out of context.

Look there is a difference in whether a convex hone would prescribe enough of an arc on a razors bevel in the real world, versus theory.

My calculation literally shows that even in theory, the arc prescribed is infintesimally small and probably doesn't make a difference. In reality it's probably less than that.

You're claiming that I am saying the opposite of what I am.

Originally Posted by Steve56

My opinion, for what it’s worth (not much, lol) is that razor honing and probably grinding folks in Germany are college students looking for a gig and beer money. Almost no one makes a career out of this any more, sorry. Straight razors are a niche market and not a career path. You aren’t going to retire from Dovo after 45 years with a pension.

There’s no longer any nobility in razor grinding/honing as evidenced by Dovo’s quality and warranty - touch it to a hone, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

I think you are right

But come on after 100 razors across the hones you should be getting a feel for it

Raise your hand if you have honed 100 new razors without serious issues and still can't get a good shave !!!! I am half joking here

I am not sure why I am jumping down this rabbit hole. I do want to speak on my experience. I have convexed many of my hones. I created my own template. I also got curious and purchased TSS shaping device.

I enjoy honing on an elliptical surface. It just feels better to me. I can get good edges from it.

I can also get good edges from a dead flat hone. Rolling X strokes work and works well. It takes skill.

Using elliptical stone requires it own skill set too. It does not do the honing for you.

TSS vendor has a unique personality as well as ego. But I think anyone on this forum does. Everyone on here is passionate about what they do and how they do it. That is why I loved coming here for so long.

I have not posted here in awhile. So if you made through this post. I hope you are doing well...whoever you are.

“You're rolling all the claims into one. Here's how I see the claims:”

No, not really.

Point 1 and 2 are the same and are FALSE!

Points 3&4 are the same and True.

1. a razor honed on a convex stone creates a better edge? true or false.

2. A convex stone has certain advantages over a flat hone? true or false.

3. Dovo honers are frowning their edges with convex hones? true or false.

4. Dovo honers can't create shave ready edges, (with convex hones).

Bottom line and common denominator, the convex hone.

So, as Glen said no first-hand experience. How about you make a convex hone, hone a razor, pass it around for inspection and shaving?

But again, if it does not work for Dovo, what makes you think it will work for you. And Jarrod has sold some stones and presumably some concave plates to make convex hones.

Where are the raving reviews? Not one yet…

Boy this makes Dovo look good! I’m going to buy a 7-day set! Not.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Where are the raving reviews? Not one yet…

I enjoy it. I will not give it a raving review, but it suits me.

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I am not sure why I am jumping down this rabbit hole. I do want to speak on my experience. I have convexed many of my hones. I created my own template. I also got curious and purchased TSS shaping device.

I enjoy honing on an elliptical surface. It just feels better to me. I can get good edges from it.

I can also get good edges from a dead flat hone. Rolling X strokes work and works well. It takes skill.

Using elliptical stone requires it own skill set too. It does not do the honing for you.

TSS vendor has a unique personality as well as ego. But I think anyone on this forum does. Everyone on here is passionate about what they do and how they do it. That is why I loved coming here for so long.

I have not posted here in awhile. So if you made through this post. I hope you are doing well...whoever you are.

Thank you for posting some first hand experience it is appreciated

Originally Posted by Euclid440

“You're rolling all the claims into one. Here's how I see the claims:”

No, not really.

Point 1 and 2 are the same and are FALSE!

Points 3&4 are the same and True.

1. a razor honed on a convex stone creates a better edge? true or false.

2. A convex stone has certain advantages over a flat hone? true or false.

3. Dovo honers are frowning their edges with convex hones? true or false.

4. Dovo honers can't create shave ready edges, (with convex hones).

Bottom line and common denominator, the convex hone.

So, as Glen said no first-hand experience. How about you make a convex hone, hone a razor, pass it around for inspection and shaving?

But again, if it does not work for Dovo, what makes you think it will work for you. And Jarrod has sold some stones and presumably some concave plates to make convex hones.

Where are the raving reviews? Not one yet…

You're making it sound as if I'm advocating the convex hone, I've stated multiple times I don't think the supposed advantages would translate to the real world. That doesn't mean the theoretical advantages would not turn into real advantages all variables being equal, nor the opposite. The theoretical advantages may be too small for us to detect and therefore not worth the effort. I never claimed one hone was better in the real world, only that one had some theoretical advantages. These two claims are not mutually exclusive.

My calculation of the saggita height from the chord was dismissed as BS. Would a flat plane not, theoretically, become concave when applied to a convex surface? I never claimed that this is what happened in reality when honing. My calculation even showed that the amount of concavity was incredibly small even in theory, which actually supports the criticisms against the convex hone being radically better.

Points 1 and 2 are not the same. The convex hone could have advantages that have nothing to do with the condition of the edge bevel.

Points 3 and 4 could also exist in a condition where Dovo were using flat hones.

So you bring some "theory" here and try to explain it to guys who have honed many thousands of razors? I think your better off listening to them instead of trying to convince them what they already know.

Just my thoughts on the frown, typically found on Dovos.

I think the frown is caused more by the horizontal sander, and the convex hone was designed to be able to hone the frown that it created.

Being a disc shaped sander, you've got different speeds to contend with. Slow near center, progressively faster to the outside. Equals different amounts of steel being removed along its length.

A few passes on a flat hone should cut the hone into a convex shape, fitting for x strokes, on the already efed up razor.


This goes hand n hand with, grind the spine, for a wonky razor.