Thread: A different slant on honing

Re: Cresent City Razors.
You may have seen it, but there is a guy on YouTube called burrfection that sharpens a knife on a brick to show that it is about skill and not just equipment. He never claims it is better, nor does he try to sell you a brick, though. I enjoy his videos.

I understand what you are saying about "rubbing steel on rocks" being an oversimplification. And that it implies you don't really have to think about what you're doing. But, I think of it as a way of telling noobs that you don't have to over complicate it, either. I find it interesting when yall talk about theories and debate different techniques and science of edge shapes. But I'm not there yet. I need to stick with rubbing steel on rocks until I can get a consistent good edge before I start to figure out fancy things to improve it. It keeps me grounded and to stay within my limits.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

So, consider the source.

Why not just strop on paste and get the same effect? A sheet or two of copy paper under film does the same, provides a bit of give to convex the edge.

Yes, nano grit paste, CBN or Diamond can yield a great shaving edge, but few razors can handle that edge and microchips after a few stropping’s.

Consider the source.

I thought this was about convex stones, not convex edges. The idea, right or wrong however it may be, is that only a small part of the edge is in full contact with the hone at any given point in time or in the honing stroke. At least that's my take on it. Yeah if you want a convex EDGE, you are absolutely correct, but a convex stone isn't going to necessarily give a convex edge, any more than a flat stone would.

It is about a Convex hone to create a Concave Bevel or that was the original claim ... He has since backed away from that and settled more on the "Easier to Hone"

I just wish the little weasel would stop tagging me to up his hits

Oh and the Wet vs Whet post on YouTube is the funniest I have read in sometime

The audacity of the Wet Shaving world to call it Wet Shaving instead of Whet Shaving,, Oh in case you all didn't realize I guess I invented that term "Wet Shaving" yea !!!! ME

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The audacity of the Wet Shaving world to call it Wet Shaving instead of Whet Shaving,, Oh in case you all didn't realize I guess I invented that term "Wet Shaving" yea !!!! ME

We should add it to urban dictionary and credit you.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

It is about a Convex hone to create a Concave Bevel or that was the original claim ... He has since backed away from that and settled more on the "Easier to Hone"

I just wish the little weasel would stop tagging me to up his hits

Oh and the Wet vs Whet post on YouTube is the funniest I have read in sometime

The audacity of the Wet Shaving world to call it Wet Shaving instead of Whet Shaving,, Oh in case you all didn't realize I guess I invented that term "Wet Shaving" yea !!!! ME

LOL the wet/whet!

Okay I gotcha. Stone convex longways, not crossways. Or both, like my Awesado that I lapped flat. I was thinking convex side to side.

Originally Posted by CrescentCityRazors

LOL the wet/whet!

Okay I gotcha. Stone convex longways, not crossways. Or both, like my Awesado that I lapped flat. I was thinking convex side to side.

If you watch the Dovo vid their stone is done lengthwise so the hump would contact the razor edge as you hone so yes the low parts are along the long edges with the high hump running the long axis
Imagine using a set of Round Crock Sticks to only contact a small portion of the bevel at a time (Also recommended at one time)

Originally Posted by CrescentCityRazors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU

OOH I used to love me some Kelly LaBrock back in the day.

It was originally claimed that a convex stone would hone a thinner bevel, a theoretical micro hollow ground bevel. And that this method was invented by Solingen razor makers, master hone misters.

But, if you were a razor maker and wanted a more acute bevel angle, why not just grind a thinner spine? Because it does not work, if you thin a bevel too much, e.g., with paste few steels could support it, certainly not modern Dovos.

Dovo uses convex stones most probably to hone warped razors, not a ringing endorsement, as the words Dovo and “factory shave ready” should not be used in the same sentence.

Bottom line is, can you hone a warped razor on a convex stone? Yea probably.

But anyone could hone a warped razor on any stone, if you drop the heel off the stone on the concave side with a Rolling X stroke and lift the heel slightly off the stone on the convex side, on any flat stone, as has been done for hundreds of years.

So, the convex stone or stone grinder may be an expensive solution to a non- existent problem.

A similar device was developed to camber wood plane blades a few years ago, but for hundreds of years woodworkers simply added finger pressure on the corners of the blade for a few strokes and achieved the exact same results. It is how all antique furniture has been built.