Thread: Honing with two hands

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I think it is not right for someone to say that one way only is the right way and the other doesn't work.

Yannis - if I remember correctly, you were also the person who complained about poor result from a coticule - that it was 4K or so and you coudn't pass the HHT off it. You said HHT wasn't working because it was low grit and a bad coticule. However - it is actually very easy to pass HHT off 4K, and I can do it even on 1K. Sure, some razors pass HHT harder off the coticule (regardless if it's 4K or not) but it doesn't mean that it can't be done.

We should keep an open mind. What works for one may not be ideal for another.


Ivo,
If you search my posts will see that I say :
I have two coticules
With the first the razor pass the HHT
With the second not
With the first shaving is better than after norton 8000 (I feel that is like 11000- 12000)
With the second shaving is not better (I feel that is like 7000)

Originally Posted by nickyspaghetti

My view on life is test everything you are told, if it works for you then great, if not, you are not obliged to take up a practice just because of somebody elses preference.(This of course relies on testing the advice thoroughly before making a decision)
I have done my testing and I know what works best for me.

I totaly agree with you Nick.
Probably I dont use the etiquette that is politicaly correct, like:
But again, that is just me,
just my .02,
just my 2 cents,
this is only my oppinion, etc, etc, etc.

All of these are strange to me, because all that we write here, is , of course, personal opinions.
I am in this forum to change experiences with others and to try to assist beginers, because I like SR shaving.
I have not the intention to enforce obedience on others.
But I think that I have the right to defend my oppinion.
For this reason I do not understand the personal attack ( lighter or heavier) from some members.
Probably Estroncio has opened a taboo thread....

Originally Posted by Yannis

I totaly agree with you Nick.
Probably I dont use the etiquette that is politicaly correct, like:
But again, that is just me,
just my .02,
just my 2 cents,
this is only my oppinion, etc, etc, etc.

All of these are strange to me, because all that we write here, is , of course, personal opinions.
I am in this forum to change experiences with others and to try to assist beginers, because I like SR shaving.
I have not the intention to enforce obedience on others.
But I think that I have the right to defend my oppinion.
For this reason I do not understand the personal attack ( lighter or heavier) from some members.
Probably Estroncio has opened a taboo thread....

I agree with you, as everything that is posted on a forum is first and foremost a personal opinion and should be taken as such. The original poster asked the question "why do people consider one-handed honing superior to two-handed honing" and was answered by people answering his question with their experiences and opinions. I happen to agree with you, but obviously other people will have different opinions based on their experiences which is perfectly OK. Maybe someone will change their opinion after evaluating the information presented.

Yannis,

I also don't mean to offend anyone and just want to further the common understanding

I said "if I remember correctly" - so as to show that I may be wrong. Re: one coticule working better than another (and a Norton) - sure, I can totally embrace this. Now, not being able to pass HHT on 7K strikes me as weird, as I can pass it below abd above this - so I meant to point that maybe it's not just the grit that's at fault but something else.

As for 1 handed honing - I feel really uncomfortable not using the hand on the larger hones, that's all. I do hold them in one hand sometimes, btw. I also cannot accept using same pressure when honing whithout any regard for the razor and task at hand - as Lynn recommends. I vary the pressure a LOT. Obviously, I think this gives me better results - but I won't tell you or Lynn that you have to do what I do for best results

Cheers
Ivo

Originally Posted by Yannis

Ivo,
If you search my posts will see that I say :
I have two coticules
With the first the razor pass the HHT
With the second not
With the first shaving is better than after norton 8000 (I feel that is like 11000- 12000)
With the second shaving is not better (I feel that is like 7000)

Its a very good thread and another example for all learning that there are many ways to do this art.

I find that trying to "control" pressure with the other hand is difficult and probably a falacy. In the beginning I would hone with two hands and try to prevent lift with the second hand, knowing that even touching the blade, whilst it moved, could lead to a screwed up edge.

At some point it occured to me that the effort to prevent pressure was outweighed by the simplicity of just removing my hand.

I only use two hands for applying pressure to set the bevel.

Afterwards, I just use one hand action.

Yes, good thread

When I don't want pressure my only contact is with the thumb behind the spine pushing very slightly. I don't try to control lift up or anything with the second hand.

When I want to take out a chip I place the hand (one or more fingers) in various positions on the blade, and vary pressure as I see fit. If I didn't do it it would take me um about a week for a big chip and I don't like this

Cheers
Ivo

Thats a good point, I do that too. Especially when recurving an edge.

When I teach people to hone I allow them to use two hands on the 4K as this stone has so much more "jump and bounce".