It was shaving fine until the beginning of last week. I kept having to shave over and over, and very little was coming off. I know my lather and angles were not too bad. I also was getting alot of cuts. I stropped approx 500 times on newspaper, and 100 times on my strop. The edge recovered and I am now getting comfortable shaves. However, the Wapi edge is not as passing the HHT even though it was when I first got it. I was thinking about doing 5X on the 4000 and 10X or more on the 8000. I will try skipping the 4000 and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestions.