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10-27-2008, 10:04 PM #1
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Thanked: 13234One more point for taping the spine, which I do, unless asked specifically not to, by the razor owner, and yes it says exactly how the razor was honed in the letter I return with the razor... How about hone wear????? this is something that is not brought up often but it is there, and even if you're not concerned with wear, think about the swarf deposited by the spine on the hone ..... Yes there are other advantages to taping the spine other than just asthetics... I understand that hone wear/cleaning is not a huge concern to the average razor user but to those of us that hone many razors, it becomes a concern.......
Just my 2 pennies
One other thought is on that old hone worn razor, if you tape it, you eliminate many of the honing problems that somebody else managed to put in there over the years, and cut a fresh straight/even new bevel....Last edited by gssixgun; 10-27-2008 at 10:08 PM.
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10-27-2008, 10:19 PM #2
Good points, Glen. Thanks for adding them as I wasn't thinking of things from those perspectives. I also think it's great that you do tell users how exactly you honed their razors.
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10-27-2008, 10:20 PM #3
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10-27-2008, 11:06 PM #4
When I first came around to SRP I put up a poll ,"do you tape the spine"? I wanted to do it 'right' and figured I would see what the general consensus was. In the meanwhile I was buying ebay razors left and right to practice honing. At first I taped some and not others. It wasn't long before I found trying to recall which I had taped and which I had not became a PITA.
So I decided to tape all of them and that was that. So far so good. There are a few memebers who have strong feelings against taping spines. I figure that if Tim Zowada can take a thousand dollar razor start with 3 layers of tape and finish with one it ain't gonna hurt my razor to use one layer. Different strokes for different folks.Be careful how you treat people on your way up, you may meet them again on your way back down.
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10-27-2008, 11:15 PM #5
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Thanked: 77So is the spine designed to be a particular width to achieve a specific angle to the edge when honing? If so, then wouldn't you want the spine to get thinner as the edge moves into the blade? I'm thinking that eventually a 5/8 blade will become a 4/8 blade with enough honing. To maintain the same edge angle you would want a thinner spine... anything to that?
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10-27-2008, 11:37 PM #6
Yes, to maintain the same angle the spine would need to thin as the razor was honed down from 5/8 to 4/8. I guess that would be the natural out growth of hone wear although I doubt it would happen at precisely the right rate to preserve the edge geometry. Personally, I would call that a worn out razor and move on.
If you look at razors from the same maker in different sizes you will see that the smaller blades are generally thinner through the spine than the big blades. Same geometric concept you are describing.
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10-27-2008, 11:42 PM #7
Maybe so if you had one or two razors and did an awful lot of honing over many years. I for example have about a hundred of them. Once I get them sharp it is a long time before one sees a hone again. Also with all of the ebay specials I do a lot of honing to get rid of the chips and set the bevel. Not using tape would leave inordinate wear on the spine IMO. Also the thickness of a piece of electrical tape is really minimal.
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10-28-2008, 12:09 AM #8
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Thanked: 77No more than the wear on the edge you're repairing right?
Also the thickness of a piece of electrical tape is really minimal.
I don't know anything about razors so I guess my question is if spine thickness is part of the design specifically to achieve a particular angle on the edge when honing.Last edited by Quick; 10-28-2008 at 02:29 AM.
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10-28-2008, 12:42 AM #9
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Thanked: 22When I first joined this site, the posts I read about taping the spine, was all about lessening the hone wear. If you have a dirty chip in the razor, then you gotta ramove metal, and it usually comes from both the edge and spine. Some say they do it to protect the worked spines, however, the worked spine razors I have seen, are not worked far enough down, that honing would effect it. The work is either on top of the spine, or the spine has a shape to it where the work is done. I have only seen a few worked spine razors, so perhaps there are some out there that are worked too far.
I don't tape, because I simply cannot comprehend the concept of taping. As mentioned the design of the razor is so it can be honed at the correct angle. But when your honing with tape, its at a correct angle apparently, but as the tape wears you have to replace it. So then the fresh tape is going to alter the angle of that bevel ever so slightly, but it will be altered, and the more times you replace the tape, in effect you are going to be slightly rounding that edge. This is the logic that my brain gives me, so I don't tape the spine. Plus if you tape the spine once, you have to do it all the time, because they say refreshing the edge or whatever without the tape, you won't be honing the edge, just creating a double bevel.
I have though taped the odd spine here and there. If I were to do that for a customer, then I would tell them, so when the time comes they are ready to learn to refresh an edge themselves, they won't run into any problems.
Just my 0.02
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10-28-2008, 12:07 AM #10
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Thanked: 13234Even in the scenario that you just described the angle difference would be at the most 1 degree, and considering that most razors range from 13-18 degrees that small change would not effect it .... In fact if you do some thinking on how the angles are both changing it might actually improve the strength of the edge