Thread: laps on chinese

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

my approach is a little different .i could be wrong but if you wanna try good luck

Most natural stones will sharpen or put final edge until you will feel some resistance when you move blade it is kinda gets harder that is indication to STOP FOR ME.
i have tried this almost all my natural hones.Now there is a little trick
we are talking about without slurry.if you make slurry then this will not apply
Your chinese could need 30,may be 100 or 300 depends what condition is your blade before you starting on 12..Most people make mistake when to go from 1 hone to another or grits change usually they do early.
hope my little knowledge will help.

Good advice, this. When you hit that point where the blade is grabbing the hone, you are there....at least 75% of the time.

thanks for great advice guys! When it comes to stropping I get great results when not using the linnen side with paste.That is,I really don't think my stropping is bad.When using the leather side I have never had any problems.Could be that I haven't applied the paste in the correct manner or amount...

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

thanks for great advice guys! When it comes to stropping I get great results when not using the linnen side with paste.That is,I really don't think my stropping is bad.When using the leather side I have never had any problems.Could be that I haven't applied the paste in the correct manner or amount...

Well... less is definitely more when it comes to paste on a strop. Too much will definitely dull an edge really fast.

There is a "strop pasting how-to" around here somewhere...HERE!!

http://straightrazorpalace.com/strops/17886-pasting-strop-photo-tutorial.html

He only has a small amount on that strop, and most guys usually overdo it at first.

I have a different opinion from others on the Chinese hone. I evaluated them when they first hit the market and I didn't like them as they were slow and I considered the stones to be dirty. Looking at the edge under magnification, I didn't see what should have been a 12000 edge. If I had, I'd be carrying them on my website.

I also keep hearing from folks that following a finished edge on a coticule with CrO degrades the edge and you may be seeing the same thing with the Chinese stone.

The D8EE is another story. Diamonds are so aggressive that, although they remove steel quickly, they don't leave an edge that's easy on your face. They need further refinement and more than a pasted strop or a natural strop. I finish them off on a coticule with very light strokes and with a slurry.

Ok,thank you,but what would you suggest that I do? Should I Just get a yellow belgian, and forget about any pastes and the chinese 12k? I really want the best possible result! Also, when you take a razor from the norton 4k\8k to a coticule,do you then still finish with some sort of paste.Or is really pastes ment for an alternative to a finishing stone?

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

Ok,thank you,but what would you suggest that I do?

Try a coticule, they're really good stones and mine at least gives me an edge that will be smooth shaving.

Should I Just get a yellow belgian, and forget about any pastes and the chinese 12k? I really want the best possible result!

Best possible? Get a Nakayama from either OLD_SCHOOL or So at Japantool, I've only had mine for a short while, but it gives me better shaves than the pastes ever gave me, just IMHO.

Also, when you take a razor from the norton 4k\8k to a coticule,do you then still finish with some sort of paste.Or is really pastes ment for an alternative to a finishing stone?

I find that the coticule gives me smooth shaving edges so for me the pastes isn't necessery.

I'm not Howard but here's my take on this.

would you say that the nakayama is a better finishing stone than the shapton 16000?

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

would you say that the nakayama is a better finishing stone than the shapton 16000?

It's by far the best finisher I've ever tried. As for the Shapton GS 16K and my nakayama it's not really fair to compare those two finishes as the guesstimate for grits on the nakayama is around 40K, so it should be compared to the Shapton 30K.

I feel the Shapton leaves the edge sharp, but not as smooth as I would like the edge to be, and the nakayama feels both smoother and sharper than the Shapton. This is all based on the feeling I get for shaving with razors finished on those two hones, so it's just my opinions.

The Shapton 16K is not a bad stone the main reason I ended up with a nakayama is that I didn't like the finish the Shapton left, so it's now the middel step from 8K to the nakayama. I believe that once you get to the finishing stage of honing, it's more of a personal preferences what kind of finish you'll like and not as much what you use to get that finish.