Thread: 1k is a "slow cutter"?

Hey guys,

I've read that the Norton 1k is a "slow cutter". Now, does this mean that it is slow in comparison to other stones of comparable grit (i.e., Naniwa 1k)? I am slightly confused, b/c I know the Norton 4k is often discussed as a fast cutter, and I would assume that the 1k would just cut faster b/c of the lower grit.

Help?

Originally Posted by Razorburne

Hey guys,

I've read that the Norton 1k is a "slow cutter". Now, does this mean that it is slow in comparison to other stones of comparable grit (i.e., Naniwa 1k)? I am slightly confused, b/c I know the Norton 4k is often discussed as a fast cutter, and I would assume that the 1k would just cut faster b/c of the lower grit.

Help?

Yeah, fast cutter, slow cutter, etc, all refer to the particular stone vs stones of comparable grit. A fast 4k is faster than a slow 4k, but in general still won't remove steel as fast as even a slow 1k.

if you compare norton 1k to dmt 1k then you can say that. other then that i don't get this .
to say generally norton 1k is slow cutter i think is wrong.Compare to which stone is ?

Hmmmmm Slow huh???

Compared to a DMT yes I agree with Sham, And even then a Norton 1k is still a metal munching machine anyway....

I do a lot of restoration, I very, very, rarely drop below a Norton 1k to do it, I have used a DMT 325 once and that was just to compare it...

Here are some numbers to ponder, I have probably honed about 3000 razors now, I have bread-knifed maybe 20, those 20 razors have been on a stone lower then a 1k.... Probably about 2500 of those had a bevel set on a Norton 1k.... I use mostly Shaptons and Naniwa 1k's now....

BTW those of you that think the bread-knife method is for honing can see that it really is a drastic restoration technique....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Hmmmmm Slow huh???

Compared to a DMT yes I agree with Sham, And even then a Norton 1k is still a metal munching machine anyway....

I do a lot of restoration, I very, very, rarely drop below a Norton 1k to do it, I have used a DMT 325 once and that was just to compare it...

Here are some numbers to ponder, I have probably honed about 3000 razors now, I have bread-knifed maybe 20, those 20 razors have been on a stone lower then a 1k.... Probably about 2500 of those had a bevel set on a Norton 1k I have use mostly Shaptons and Naniwa 1k's now....

BTW those of you that think the bread-knife method is for honing can see that it really is a drastic restoration technique....

Glen,

Do you prefer the Norton of Naniwa 1k for bevel setting? I don't have a 1k yet and am weighing the options...what do you think?

Originally Posted by Razorburne

Glen,

Do you prefer the Norton of Naniwa 1k for bevel setting? I don't have a 1k yet and am weighing the options...what do you think?

What is the next stone you are going to use??? your sharpener or 4k level stone???

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Hmmmmm Slow huh???

Compared to a DMT yes I agree with Sham, And even then a Norton 1k is still a metal munching machine anyway....

I do a lot of restoration, I very, very, rarely drop below a Norton 1k to do it, I have used a DMT 325 once and that was just to compare it...

Here are some numbers to ponder, I have probably honed about 3000 razors now, I have bread-knifed maybe 20, those 20 razors have been on a stone lower then a 1k.... Probably about 2500 of those had a bevel set on a Norton 1k.... I use mostly Shaptons and Naniwa 1k's now....

BTW those of you that think the bread-knife method is for honing can see that it really is a drastic restoration technique....

I've been breadknifing razors with damage/chips. Now that I think about it, though, I guess it actually isn't necessary. I guess either way, you need to bring the bevel (edge) back to just above the chip. Whether your flatten the edge up to that point, or gradually bring it back, either way you get the same results, right? Breadknifing does speed things up by removing metal more efficiently, though. Why don't you like to use it more often?

Originally Posted by pjrage

I've been breadknifing razors with damage/chips. Now that I think about it, though, I guess it actually isn't necessary. I guess either way, you need to bring the bevel (edge) back to just above the chip. Whether your flatten the edge up to that point, or gradually bring it back, either way you get the same results, right? Breadknifing does speed things up by removing metal more efficiently, though. Why don't you like to use it more often?

I don't know about Glen, but I've found that breadknifing actually increases the time spent on hones rather than decrease it. However, in extreme cases, breadknifing is the only way to achieve the desired result.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

What is the next stone you are going to use??? your sharpener or 4k level stone???

I just assumed I would go from 1k to 4k (Norton), unless you have another idea. What would be the difference between the two methods?

I just switched from a Norton 1K to the Naniwa 1K. It just arrived today and I have set the bevel on a few razors with it. I have to say I'm pleased with the Naniwa. It feels better than the Norton but I don't know if feel is all that critical on a 1K.