Thread: Finishing Threesome

Originally Posted by StraightRazorDave

The number of laps I used were probably too many, but I doubt these stones would ever overhone a razor .

Dave

Dave the day will come you will over hone the blade in any of them. You can over hone on coticule ,Escher or Nakayama.
it is just matter of time and getting used to know them.
I hope i am not downgrading your work. i think you went to that stones too early that is why you love the results.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Dave the day will come you will over hone the blade in any of them. You can over hone on coticule ,Escher or Nakayama.
it is just matter of time and getting used to know them.
I hope i am not downgrading your work. i think you went to that stones too early that is why you love the results.

Don't worry, you're not downgrading my work. It seems that all three of my stones are VERY slow cutting, so it's always seemed like I need to do a bunch of laps to even see much sign of it doing anything. But I agree, it is time and getting to know them. I'm not too experienced so I am still experimenting and I like to air on the side of a few more laps than not enough.

Dave try get some cheap hones example norton 4/8k use it for middle set up. This is how i do. when i go to finishing stone edge is almost in there. Depends on Blade i don't make more then 10-40 laps on finishing stone.
You are exactly right they are all slow cutter that is why they are final finish stone.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Dave try get some cheap hones example norton 4/8k use it for middle set up. This is how i do. when i go to finishing stone edge is almost in there. Depends on Blade i don't make more then 10-40 laps on finishing stone.
You are exactly right they are all slow cutter that is why they are final finish stone.

Oh I have enough hones....I have a full set of Shaptons now!! I've only had them for about a week so I'm still getting to know them, but I'm definitely all set up in terms of hones. I don't have a problem getting a razor shave ready anymore, especially with the new Shaptons it's pretty easy, but I really do think I over-do my finishing. I guess I want to be SURE it's doing something so I throw in a bunch of extra laps.

Looking back at how many laps you I did and after what you said...I think I did WAY too many! Haha, oh well, to live and to learn. I used that many laps on a Boker today and it was shave-ready, so I probably would get the same results if I had just done about 50 laps on my Nakayama with just water. But I like to experiment and learn from my mistakes.

Thanks for the advice.

Hey Dave, those are some beauties you have there. What I've been doing is seeing how the razor shaves at the 8k level. If it is good I go on to one finishing stone of choice and see how much I can futher improve the edge/shave.

If I feel the shave off of the 8k is lacking something I go back to the 4/8 pyramid or the equvalent if I'm using something other than a Norton. I stay there until it is dialed in and then move up in grit when, as I say above, the shave dictates I'm ready. Randydance got me on that procedure and it is kind of fun.

The Shapton USA site says, "The most important concept when using the Shapton system is achieving consistency at a given grit level before moving up to the next finer stone. At the 2000 grit level, your tool should be perfectly shaped. It is ineffective to attempt to reshape your tool at any finer grit level. If you have built a good foundation at the coarse grit level, very little work will be required at the finer grit levels."

BTW, some people say that you can't overhone on a coticule, Escher or Nakayama. Randy told me he once did a test to see if he could on a coticule and he did. Took a lot of laps and I forget how many it was but it can be too much of a good thing.... Sham is right on.

Thats what i have been doing latley shaving of the 8k when happy moving to coticule then paste test ing at each 8k then coti then paste i have found the shave of 8kn to be very good. How much differance would you say the coti makes jimmy? compared to the 8k shave?

Originally Posted by gary haywood

Thats what i have been doing latley shaving of the 8k when happy moving to coticule then paste test ing at each 8k then coti then paste i have found the shave of 8kn to be very good. How much differance would you say the coti makes jimmy? compared to the 8k shave?

The coticule smooths the edge and if it is my 8x3 natural the yellow will definitely add sharpness to boot using water only. I know some are better than others and that 8x3 happens to be the best of the many I have so far. If I didn't like fooling with different hones so much I would be fine if that 8x3 was all that I had.

Originally Posted by StraightRazorDave

Oh I have enough hones....I have a full set of Shaptons now!! I've only had them for about a week so I'm still getting to know them, but I'm definitely all set up in terms of hones. I don't have a problem getting a razor shave ready anymore, especially with the new Shaptons it's pretty easy, but I really do think I over-do my finishing. I guess I want to be SURE it's doing something so I throw in a bunch of extra laps.

Looking back at how many laps you I did and after what you said...I think I did WAY too many! Haha, oh well, to live and to learn. I used that many laps on a Boker today and it was shave-ready, so I probably would get the same results if I had just done about 50 laps on my Nakayama with just water. But I like to experiment and learn from my mistakes.

Thanks for the advice.

Hi Dave,
Congrats on what sounds like dream setup. I sure you will get them down in short order. Before you know it you wil have found out several ways to a common end and picking the best ones for sure.

Mike

How does the hardness compare between your hard coticule and nakayama?

It would be kinda cool to have a mohs test set of scribers.

Carn't fault you you might as well use all three rather than collecting dust. I like to finish on coticule why i just like the coticule for some reason but i do somtimes well most times go bbw s 50laps then 50 coticule with water then chineese 50 laps and guaranteed smoothness . most people say it is impossible to over hone on coticule i never have infact i don't no if i have on any hone the only thing i've found is somtimes my edge will shave great but feel abit gritty then it might be over done i guess but i just rehone untill good smooth edge