Thread: Two New Stones... and some luck

Originally Posted by mainaman

I see.
I ran my razor on it after 10k Super Stone it the razor got duller...
I am getting a 16k Shapton, and eventually a Japanese Natural

Did you put ANY water on it? Cause you still have to put a little water on it, but you don't have to let it soak.

just put a little on it, rub it to coat the stone, and hone. doesn't need a lot of water, but you need SOME.

Is this the Aoto hone?
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Originally Posted by sparq

Is this the Aoto hone?
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The stones have been lapped but don't look it when I photograph them for some reason or another. As for the soaking, it may be that my stone is an odd ball as it seemed to produce mud after its soaking. The Aoto wore quickly at first but stopped producing as much mud and I continued to hone, it seemed to cut less less until it imparted a nice evenly scratched and reflective edge. I'll try and capture it on tape so you all can see this as it seems to be a bit of an anomaly. I personally just figured that I was due for something easy.

Carbonsteel928, if you lapped them then I don't think you lapped them all the way to high grit sanding paper like 600-1000 for a smooth finish. They may be flat but they don't seem smooth. I've been told 600 grit is enough for most natural stones but I always go to 800 grit to be sure.

If you only lapped the stones with low grit then they may act as courser stones and perhaps get finer during honing.

I like the way you think. I took some better close ups and noticed that. I'm going to lap them finer to see if my luck was more of a happy accident than a blessing.

Originally Posted by avatar1999

Did you put ANY water on it? Cause you still have to put a little water on it, but you don't have to let it soak.

just put a little on it, rub it to coat the stone, and hone. doesn't need a lot of water, but you need SOME.

yes I did put water on, I also made slurry with 1.2k dmt, and my 10k Super Stone on separate sessions.

Originally Posted by mainaman

yes I did put water on, I also made slurry with 1.2k dmt, and my 10k Super Stone on separate sessions.

Personally, I don't think slurry on a finisher is a good idea. Slurry, however little, will round the edge a bit, and I don't want that on a finisher. All I want to do is refine the edge. Slurry may also help increase cutting speed, but to me it's not worth it.

I have seen others say that they found the C12k dulled their edge unless they did more than X laps. That wasn't the case for me, but I suppose it is possible...

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

Personally, I don't think slurry on a finisher is a good idea. Slurry, however little, will round the edge a bit, and I don't want that on a finisher. All I want to do is refine the edge. Slurry may also help increase cutting speed, but to me it's not worth it.

I have seen others say that they found the C12k dulled their edge unless they did more than X laps. That wasn't the case for me, but I suppose it is possible...

I realized the first time I created slurry that this is not working, so then I proceeded with no slurry. My last attempt was to use my 10k SS as nagura, but instead of 12k Chinese slurry I ended up with 10k SS slurry. Judging by the posts other have made, it is possible this stone is a random hit and miss in terms of performance.

Originally Posted by avatar1999

Am I understanding you right that the Aoto cuts like a 1k, but gives a finish like a 5k?

This is one of the stones I'm going to pick up, but love to know more

Also, how hard/soft is it? Wonder how often it will need lapping

I also have an Aoto, I use it after my Amakusa Red and I would say it is probably the softest feeling stone I have. It makes a muddy slurry after only a few passes and gives me an edge somewhere in the 1K to 4K range.....it's hard to judge the grit, but with the heavy slurry the edge is very similar to the King1200, and when I rinse it regularly it's closer to the 4K Norton.

I like the Aoto, even after only a month or so, it's already become a favorite.