Thread: hone then paste

Originally Posted by gary haywood

may be not every ones as experianced as you i no lynn uses paste well in the honing dvd he did and the one on utube actualy i think he highly recomends diamond spray 0.5 i'm sure he says it adds a little glide i find it adds more glide also and a lot of hone meisters do use it for what ever reason differant people differant methods. the previous owner of my barbershop and his dad used rouge back in the days. i find paste can defanatly add extra keeness/smoothness beyond my honing and i think many people do find the same.

I wonder if it has a lot to do with getting a really good edge faster (considering Lynn does hundreds of razors per month) than using an Escher or other natural stone, though?

I don't know the answer to that...

Originally Posted by tat2Ralfy

I have never had a shave as light and close straight off the stone as I have with Barts honing, IMHO he has truly mastered it.

You answered your own question.

I'm not sur but i no he hones with naniwas at the moment or was and finishes on the 12k which is as good as it gets. I could easily live with out paste but its been around along time and we all like to try differant methods i only have cro/ox and extra fine issards paste i never use any thing coarser than that as my hone does any thing above that i have some razors in my rotation that are straight of the hone shavers and some that are finished on paste depending on how the shave is of the hone if its 9/10 i will hit the paste for 10 laps maybe 20. other than that i would go back and hone.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

You answered your own question.

For sure. you can only that which has room for improvement

I believe Gary was interested in peoples opinions of the improvement they got from pastes, I know Bart will use a paste if He feels the need, as would anyone as far as I know

Originally Posted by gary haywood

most people use some kind of finishing paste after there last hone.

I can easily shave of my hones. I still find that paste can and does add smoothness and can squeeze that bit more keeness out of a razor in most cases.

This is means blade hasn't honed it is maximum sharpness

My question is what differance do you guys find paste makes and why you use paste or why you would rather not use paste.

Gary i wont use paste because i think it decrease life of the edge

I've been shaving straight of hone and then next time round of my choice of finishing paste and to me i find if your razor is well honed paste does put a realy fine edge on a razor that is not possible to gain from hone

Sorry this is not true

this is depending on razor

didn't get this part

. i'd just like to no peoples apinions on this thats all.

I'm not saying you carn't get arealy fine edge of hone.

now you are going against your own idea Gary?

this is the original message Garry posted.

All above just my personal opinion Gary.

Originally Posted by tat2Ralfy

For sure. you can only that which has room for improvement

I believe Gary was interested in peoples opinions of the improvement they got from pastes, I know Bart will use a paste if He feels the need, as would anyone as far as I know

Please skip the capital Ralfy, I'm not Jesus.

Yes, I use CrO occasionally, but never on razors I hone for my free honing service on Coticule.be
The idea is that people can experience a Coticule edge, and not a CrO edge. They can find out for themselves if a paste will add something beneficial. In the majority of cases it will not.

I'm not sure if Sham suggested that I cheat, or that you have still a lot to learn.

But seriously. I only rely on CrO as a last resort, if I can't manage to bring a blade to the performance I like. That used to be 9 out of 10 razors, but it's less than 1 out of 10 now.

I have 2 tips for you, Ralfy. Safe your lightest strokes for last. Make them lighter than the weight of the blade. When you feel you have reached the best you can do, strop the razor well. Many people partially get from CrO what they could get from adept stropping.
Second, if the razor is still not quite there (quite is an important work in this sentence), strop it on your Coticule for about 20 round trips and re-strop on linen and leather.

I have no problems with the use of paste, but I like the edges best when I can get them of a Coticule without paste. Robin (Beberlin) has witnessed me hone razors without any paste present in the wide area. As he shaved with those razors, he can answer whether it can be done or not.

Kind regards,
Bart.

I don't use the past as part of the honing process. I use it as a go-to option after about 6 shaves. At that point, stropping doesn't seem to bring the edge back to life as well. 6 to 10 light laps on the Crox on balsa followed by 25 on synthetic or linen and 50 on leather, put the blade close to its original keeness.
When this stops working, I then go to a touchup hone.

Ray

Originally Posted by Bart

Please skip the capital Ralfy, I'm not Jesus.
Kind regards,
Bart.

Never Heard of Him? you must excuse my grammar I am English you know ...

thanks for the advice My friend, I always value your opinion highly as you know. P.M. sent

oh yeah and Hi_Bud_Gl... i didnt ask a question or start this thread?

Originally Posted by tat2Ralfy

Never Heard of Him? you must excuse my grammar I am English you know ...

thanks for the advice My friend, I always value your opinion highly as you know. P.M. sent

oh yeah and Hi_Bud_Gl... i didnt ask a question or start this thread?

I should say " you answered your own doubts' was my mistake. i guess you won't have problem with that?
i never said you have started this thread you are making this one up?

Originally Posted by gary haywood

most people use some kind of finishing paste after there last hone.

I can easily shave of my hones. I still find that paste can and does add smoothness and can squeeze that bit more keeness out of a razor in most cases. My question is what differance do you guys find paste makes and why you use paste or why you would rather not use paste.
.....

Paste on a hanging strop or paste on a balsa hone?

I am of the opinion that a polish on the bevel is as important
as the set edge. I want the steel behind the edge that is in contact
with my face to "slide" and not push a little roll of skin that
then results in a nick.

The "slide" behind the edge is minimized by a good shaving soap/ lather
AND the polish behind the edge. IMO, Since the blade clears most of the soap
from the face the polish is key for me.

Since I do not have a bench full of finishing stones I use a pair of 0.5 diamond
and CrOxide balsa hones and also a year old breath of 0.5 diamond paste on the
canvas side of my strop. Note that my str8s are only as sharp as I like, no more.

By way of comparison a new "feather blade" is almost too sharp. Some would say
harsh. The second or third day is best for me and is how I like to hone/strop
my steel yet I seldom get it exactly right.

Each of us will be different....the EPA says your mileage will vary, and
I suspect your shave will also.