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02-17-2010, 05:04 PM #11
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Thanked: 13246Jesus Lynn wrote a whole lot
I am the lazy typer
What makes someone a Honemeister? = Confidence...
The guy behind the hones, and the guy that sends the razor, both have the confidence that the razor is going to end up shave ready...Last edited by gssixgun; 02-17-2010 at 05:07 PM.
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02-17-2010, 06:24 PM #12
A lot of good people already gave a lot of good info. It is an informal title granted by someone else / a lot of someone elses, based on many factors. The title is informal. There is not, nor will there ever be any official SRP endorsed accreditation.
Also, the amount of razors is not the be all / end all. Someone can hone a thousand razors, but unless he is into restoring lost causes, I am pretty sure that I will have honed more truly junked edges than that person. I pride myself on being able to restore and hone anything as long as there is enough metal left underneath the damage. And I've even honed (and shaved with) a splitting maul, just to prove to myself that I could.
Yet I am definitely not calling myself a honemeister (nor would I like to be called one) because I also know that there are holes in my experience. I flat out refuse to hone (or restore) anything smaller or equal than 5/8. I hate those puny tooth picks and the couple of times I tried to hone a 4/8 did not end well. I've only ever honed 1 stainless razor so as far as experience goes, that is nothing to brag about, and I've never honed a Japanse kamisori. And the total count of honed edges is certainly less than 200 so that is also not big achievement.
Of course, if someone is that desparate to prove that he is a honemeister, I could always send him or her a damascus wedge with slightly uneven grind and spine, without an initial bevel, hardened to 62 HRC.
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Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
To spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day
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02-17-2010, 06:33 PM #13
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02-17-2010, 06:57 PM #14
I would agree with several here who have basically stated that it was an informal reference of someone who is accomplished...I would imagine that whoever they may be, the enjoyment was all about getting there...I enjoy where I'm at in my profession, but, I enjoyed the journey a lot more.
The one thing that actually brought me to this site was after watching Lynn's honing videos on Youtube, (I'd started collecting razors just out of interest in razors themselves w/o consideration to using them), I remembered he said something about the enjoyment of the methodology associated to straight razor use and maintainence...referencing slowing down from the hustle-bustle...he was right!
If it isn't beautiful, enjoyable or usable...get rid of it!Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.
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02-18-2010, 12:01 AM #15
Hey, don't believe those guys. You want to be a honemeister I'll tell you how to do it. Just send me $500 cash in small bills and I'll arrange for an official Honemeister Certificate to be issued to you along with a free set of references and you'll be all set. Har Har.
No matter how many men you kill you can't kill your successor-Emperor Nero
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02-18-2010, 12:34 AM #16
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02-18-2010, 01:28 AM #17
think about it in terms of The Godfather....there is only one head of the family who has this title which is given out of honor and respect, but there are a lot of errand boys lapping at his heels....deal with it
there is only one honemeister, but many disciples...
oh, and NEVER go against the family is always good advice.....
who knew my wife's italian heritage might come in handy one day??
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02-18-2010, 01:36 AM #18
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02-18-2010, 01:39 AM #19
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Thanked: 1195What an astute observation Lynn, and it's one of those subjects that doesn't come up often at all.
I for one have observed many a member join, gain a ridiculous post count in a short time during which they ask all the usual honing questions. Then a month or so later they're giving advice like old pros to hapless newbs who can't tell that it's all BS (or that it's at best info that they could have gleamed on their own from the wiki or old threads).
So what makes a honemeister? I can't say for certain, but experience and word-of-mouth definitely have a lot to do with it. I also think that true honemeisters do not seek titles and do it for the love of it. Anyone seeking a title should probably not be trusted. It's a virtue that separates the true artisans from the high-posting "honesters" that Lynn speaks of.
It's not that I don't trust our member honers/honemeisters (especially when buying from the classifieds - buyer beware and all), but I do recommend that newbs learn the sharpness tests, the most important being the shave test. That way you can determine for yourself if the members skills match their reputation. It takes a certain amount of experience, but that's another thread.....
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02-18-2010, 01:46 AM #20
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Thanked: 1587No no! You guys are using the wrong metaphores! Clearly it is like Star Wars (the good ones - 4,5, and 6). See, a young man learns the ways of the hone from a master, all the while in danger from a vast empire with an evil leader who is skilled with the dark side of the hone. Trials and tribulations ensue, but naturals triumph over synthetics in the end with the help of cute furry critters who sing weird songs.
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