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    all your razor are belong to us red96ta's Avatar
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    Before I begin, I admit that I've honed less than a dozen razors and perhaps the techniques taught to new initiates is different than those practiced by those who have honed hundreds if not thousands of razors, but doesn't this technique seem a little too heavy handed to you?

    YouTube - ReSharpening of a Razor - Nachschärfen eines Rasiermessers

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    Not really. Aside from the beginning where IMO he is a bit haphazard in that he isn't including the point in his back and forth strokes I don't see anything wrong with what he is doing. OTOH, his stones have way more swarf than I would allow and he uses two hands. Not that using two hands is wrong. It is just not my way of doing it. A bit of pressure, circles (which I don't see on the video) and back and forth strokes are effective in bevel setting for example. So his technique is not what I do exactly but I can see where he is going and IMHO it is alright. YMMV.
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    Mastro Livi does the same on his rough stones
    YouTube - SnakeRazor
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainaman View Post
    Mastro Livi does the same on his rough stones
    YouTube - SnakeRazor
    My goodness thats a monster Livi :O

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    I agree with jimmy. There is too much metallic swarf on the stone for my taste and in some movements he misses the toe. Which the way he goes at it may end with an uneven sharpness.

    Working perpendicular to length stone seems a bit awkward, as he is sitting to the side of the stone rather than behind it as I do. Which is maybe why he needs the forefinger. I do still use two hands on occasion when setting to make sure I am cutting the line I want.

    The title though is "re-sharpening.." and perhaps in that it may be a bit heavy handed. In my work there is a difference between the first time and the next and next. I believe in metal fatigue so when it comes time to resharpen I am not going to try 5 strokes to touch up. 20 to 40 X's but a bit lighter than what that demo appears to offer.(with so much swarf starting I cannot tell what came off)

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    For sure what Jimmy and Kevin said. One thing you can respect and it is most important, is that his method is repeatable. I have never gotten together with other members here in person, but I would bet everyone that is getting good edges finds his own, even if he tries to imitate someone else.
    He starts off heavy handed, but then he lightens up, that makes sense to most people, even the ones that take longer with the same pressure I would think. A good excercise one member mentioned long ago is to try and see how fine you can get an edge off a courser grit stone by continually using less and less pressure. Maybe something you would not want to do to get the ultimate edge, but a good excercise.
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    +1 to Jimmy.

    And like said, for re-sharpening, unless it was REALLY dull, it might have been a little excessive. Then again, we don't know for sure what stones he was using, but the 2nd/last looked a little like a c12k.

    The only other thing I have to say is that I don't really agree with him picking the razor up and slapping it back down. It should really be rolled over the spike when reversing direction so as not to damage the edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by red96ta View Post
    Before I begin, I admit that I've honed less than a dozen razors and perhaps the techniques taught to new initiates is different than those practiced by those who have honed hundreds if not thousands of razors, but doesn't this technique seem a little too heavy handed to you?
    I think that is Martin at Rasurpur. I have two razors from him and they were both very sharp. However, he really is hammering that Naniwa 10K at the end. No light strokes that I can tell.

    http://www.rasurpur.de/english/
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    What's weird is Martin is known for having amazing edges. So it works for him, as wrong as many of us may say. I bought a razor from him once and it was an incredible shaver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avatar1999 View Post
    +1 to Jimmy.

    And like said, for re-sharpening, unless it was REALLY dull, it might have been a little excessive. Then again, we don't know for sure what stones he was using, but the 2nd/last looked a little like a c12k.

    The only other thing I have to say is that I don't really agree with him picking the razor up and slapping it back down. It should really be rolled over the spike when reversing direction so as not to damage the edge.

    Martin uses a coticule with slurry and a Naniwa 10K in the video.

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