Thanks for the input Glen, I guess so far I have been lucky. This is the first one I have had trouble with, but then again I have not honed very many yet.

Your right on the kron punkt, once I finally got and edge on it, it did shave quite well. A little more pull than I like so I might go back to the 12k for a few more laps (almost scared to at this point), considering the razor was garbage when I started I look at this as being all for fun.