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    Default Bevel setting mystery?

    Since last posting my honing woes, I have been applying the good advice received here.

    I've watched Lynn's and others' training videos trying to reset the bevel using a 1k Naniwa on my T-I razor.

    I also obtained an easier razor for practice -- something without a smile shape to the blade.

    I'm having absolutely no luck at all.

    I've tried light pressure, more pressure, x-strokes, etc etc. I've spent tried 10 laps, 20 laps, 50 laps, 100 laps, and the blades get just the slightest bit sharper, but no more. Never hair popping. I'd say "hair combing" is more like what happens.

    To see if I've actually accomplished anything, I've then progressed through the stones: the 5k, 8k, 12k, pasted paddle strop, and then the hanging strop -- then the shave test: still, as always, feels like pulling hair out by the handful.

    I just cannot get my blade sharp, and I think it starts at the bevel setting.

    Using a marker along the bevel, it would appear the whole bevel is getting the treatment, but still, the blade doesn't sharpen.

    Is there a better/ more fool proof stone I might buy to re set the bevel?

    Should I try and use the 325 DMT to REALLY reset the bevel?

    I'm beyond mystified by this black art of razor honing.

    Perhaps there's a special chant or prayer one utters before beginning.

    Thanks in advance for any clues to this clueless honer!
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    Are you doing the TNT, TPT of any of that as you go along ? Using magnification at all ? IME the naniwa 1k works really well to set a bevel. You should be seeing swarf developing as you're doing your circles. Lynn told me 20 circles on each side with firm pressure followed by 20 x strokes IIRC. Repeat if necessary. If it won't do a good TNT it is necessary. Once it does a good TNT do another 10 x strokes and then see if it will shave arm hair against the skin.

    If it won't more x strokes until it will. The pressure thing is hard to quantify in words. I was lucky and had someone who new the drill that lived close enough, 30 miles one way, to show me. Let me go over repeatedly to watch and learn. If there is a member in your neck of the woods who knows and could show you that would be a good thing.
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    what is the exact name of the blade. Will better if you post picture in case it is possible.
    then we could help you more.

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    Hi fellows,

    Thanks for your responses already. Wow!

    Ok, GSS', wish i could get to Yakima. Geez, maybe I should check flights...

    Jimmy', I don't know how to do the TNT and TPT, but I was told of a test where you sort of make a fist, and then touch the blade, moving gently in a lateral direction to the edge on the meat of the hand -- the part the thumb comes out of. (How's that for accurate anatomical description!?). It does seem to get just a bit sharper, but not much, by that test. Then when trying to shave arm hair with the blade on the skin -- it does it just a bit.

    I do see some of the metal on the stone as I hone, so there's evidence of friction on metal. At least a bit.

    The blades I'm working on are a T-I carbonsong c135, full hollow grind 5/8ths, and the old classified section acquisition that says Hercules, and on the other side, "The Eugene Berlinghaus co., Cincinnati, O., Made in Germany." This one is also full hollow grind, looks to be either a 4/8 or a very well worn 5 / 8 razor.

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    Oh let me add, about magnification.

    I just looked at the T I with a 10x loupe, and can see the secondary bevel I put on there, by taping the spine.

    I also have a 20x loupe, but when I get in close enough to focus, there's no light. I'm in the shaddow. Maybe in daylight I'll have better luck.

    So, it would appear I did somthing to / for this blade with the sharpening I did yesterday.

    I just checked again, and it will shave hair on my arm, but when it comes to shaving my face, it's nothing like the Revisor that just came, shave ready, last week. That one shaves, and shaves painlessly.

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    Brenton, check out 'sharpness tests explained' in the SRP Wiki here. Don't even worry about the HHT until you get to the point where you can hone one of your razors to shave well for you.
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    I was just searching for the TPT and TNT

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    If the entire edge will shave hair on your arm, you probably have the bevel set now. Congratulations!

    Now you just need to work it through the higher grits without damaging the edge.

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    I think the strategic part of honing is simply moving up in higher and higher grit.

    The tactical part is developing a repeatable stroke. Something tells me you might be missing this part.

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