Thread: Blue and Yellow Belgian Hone help

Originally Posted by shayne

I have been using my coti's and my face hurts from the lack of quality edge i got from it..
yes have read everything at the Belgium site many times and the edge looks great under a scope but wow is it harsh...

2 things could happen.
1 is you are using too much pressure while you hone.
2. you were unlucky one and got coarser coticule.
Not so many people accept 2 nd but it is out there.
hope this helps.

Oh , please don't get the impression I know what I am doing..
the only reason the edges are harsh is due to the fact that I am new at using them and am trying my best to sort it out, milky slurry working it till its watery . washing stone off etc .

I am sorry if i hijacked a thread with my comment.
I would probably go with using too much pressure.
the razors i tried to hone were a 1937 TI and a hashion and sons
the ti had a rolled edge and the hashion needed some love. the hashion was my best edge next to the joe rodgers Oz did up for me.

The coticules shayne is using are, I assume, two that he bought from me. They are vintage Pikes that were in NOS condition, virtually NIB. A pinkish glued combo and a larger greenish glued combo. I did hone a bit on these to test them after I bought them.

As expected the pinkish coti is a faster cutter as coticules go. The greenish one is more a finisher and relatively slow. So the quality of the coticules shouldn't be an issue. If you go to the SRP Wiki in the honing section you'll find an article written by Bart on honing with the coticule.

At that time he was, as he states in said article, still setting his bevels with a 1200 diamond plate. This was before he began the dulicot and unicot methods. IME using something like the diamond plate or, better yet, a 1k chosera, setting bevels is much more efficient.

As David Polan noted in his excellent video series on honing, the majority of new honers who are unable to satisfactorily sharpen their razors, are usually inadequately setting the bevel. Not sure if this applies but it is something to consider.

Sounds like either too much pressure or the blade is not truly honed.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

2. you were unlucky one and got coarser coticule.
Not so many people accept 2 nd but it is out there.

I'd actually be interested in testing such a coticule. Anyone from Europe has such a stone ??

This is one of them i am using for my kitchen knives.
I am sure you will find a lot more in euro specially ones which sound sand while you hone.

Originally Posted by decraew

I'd actually be interested in testing such a coticule. Anyone from Europe has such a stone ??

Originally Posted by decraew

I'd actually be interested in testing such a coticule. Anyone from Europe has such a stone ??

I think they exist, but like you, I've asked for someone to send me one that doesn't work well for finishing razors and haven't gotten anyone to take me up on it.

Originally Posted by richmondesi

I think they exist, but like you, I've asked for someone to send me one that doesn't work well for finishing razors and haven't gotten anyone to take me up on it.

Well Paul, given you're in the US, I'd ask sham for his coticule but I'm afraid it requires some extensive lapping ...

Originally Posted by decraew

Well Paul, given you're in the US, I'd ask sham for his coticule but I'm afraid it requires some extensive lapping ...

What you see used exclusively for knives. there is no reason to lap that stone.

Sham has sent his coticule to UK and result was they did use pressure and set the bevel.(stone was slow cutting stone in my personal opinion there is no way someone could set bevel using that stone)
of course you can use stone for days and set the bevel but does that makes sense?
you can use 1k stone and set the bevel in less then 5 minutes.
If i was planning to go mountain (wild live) and had a lot time in my hand someone asks me which stone you will choose for that trip?
i would say coticule. this is the only situation i would prefere coticule . Everything else i have a lot better chooses.
.
This is why i don't think so i will do same mistake twice.
By the way person is srp member who got the stone.
anyway.
i am really tired of trying to help people which doesn't want to accept reality.
In fact i don't have much time.
hope this helps.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

What you see used exclusively for knives. there is no reason to lap that stone.

Sham has sent his coticule to UK and result was they did use pressure and set the bevel.(stone was slow cutting stone in my personal opinion there is no way someone could set bevel using that stone)
of course you can use stone for days and set the bevel but does that makes sense?
you can use 1k stone and set the bevel in less then 5 minutes.
If i was planning to go mountain (wild live) and had a lot time in my hand someone asks me which stone you will choose for that trip?
i would say coticule. this is the only situation i would prefere coticule . Everything else i have a lot better chooses.
.
This is why i don't think so i will do same mistake twice.
By the way person is srp member who got the stone.
anyway.
i am really tired of trying to help people which doesn't want to accept reality.
In fact i don't have much time.
hope this helps.

Sham,

Instead of using the "Thanks" button, I wanted to take the time to actually write out how much I appreciate you posting this.

You demonstrated that with different technique and pressure (of course, I know a lot of guys who use pressure to set a bevel), something you thought was impossible was actually doable.

This goes a long way towards helping us all understand that what we personally think is right is not necessarily reality for everyone else.

Best wishes, Sir.