Thread: New coticule - to unicot or not to unicot?

Lynn,
As always, that was an extremely thorough and informative post. Thank you for sharing your insights. I really have to start bookmarking posts for future digestion.

Originally Posted by Bbr6704

I think I will never understand the "taping" method... I mean, it's not, IMHO a good way to keep a razor in good shape, cause you change the edge angle, and of course, if that's not important when a razor is new (only a very minor angle change), it becomes more important when you've honed your razor several times, or if you had a chick on the blade : the more steel you remove, the more your angle will be changed...

Of course, I presume the impact is less important if you only hone rarely, for maintaining your razor in good shape.

But IMHO I prefer a razor with honewear but with a correct bevel and edge, than a spine with no honewear but with a modified edge... (Of course that's my personal opinion).

Bbr6704 You need to do some serious reading...

You entire premise is wrong, all the info is here on SRP you just need to search it out...
But ask yourself these questions..
How much does the angle change from 1 piece of tape???
What is the best angle
Are all razors that same angle
Is the spine the same hardness as the edge...
You should know at least the answers to these before you start making blanket statments here, and trust me when you can answer those I have many more BTW I don't think you should use tape either if you don't want to, but please get the facts straight...

Next
For those of you that doubt the One Stone Honing you need to read / watch /try ... here http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...lynn-glen.html

You also have to understand slurry technique has been around for increasing cutting power for a long long time, and the problem has always been the same with any of the techniques that employ it... You are throwing in a new variable to the honing mix which of course makes the outcome more variable and less consistent...

There are many systems

The Pyramid
Progression
One Stone
The Cots
Nagura
Pasted Strops

And probably some I am forgeting,

They all work... and now I am going to go employ at least one of those and hone some razors

Gssixgun,

I can understand your answer, and I can understand that a piece of tape won't change the angle a lot when used on a blade in good condition (because tape is very thin). But when it's used on an old damged balde, that's, IMO different.

But it's easy to see it changes the angle as you create a secondary bevel with unicot. I'm not conviced of the interst of this...


And I also know there are different razors, with different angles, but also with different steels and tempering process (hope these are the right terms?...) : so, I haven't got enough knowledge to know if there is a relation between steel, tempering and angle, but I can presume that razors original shape was made to give the best shave possible.

And as the spine and edge are made of the same steel (except maybie on a frameback), I guess they have the same hardnees, if you don't use pressure on the blade, or using a little pressure, but on the entire blade, not only on the edge.

And for example, the smaller is the angle of a blade, the more it will cut but will be fragile ( a razor for exemple). On the opposite, the bigger is the angle, the more it will be strong but will cut less (an axe for exemple).

Of course, and I don't mean that, changing your angle won't change your razor to an axe, but I'm convinced that it can change the razor's abilities.

And I'm not sure tape makes honing easier, it makes it faster, but honing without tape isn't harder...

Well, of course, that won't change my razors, as I don't use tape, and I don't mind if other use tape, as I don't shave with their razors, but I just wanted to share informations I've got, don't mind if you don't agree, I don't pretend to get the one and only truth...

Best wihses.

And of course, have a nice day and a nice shave!

Please read the tape vs not tape discussions we have, and you will see that there are cons and pros for both. In the end, either way it is fine, everyone should make the choice himself. There is no right or wrong way here.

Originally Posted by Bbr6704

so, I haven't got enough knowledge to know if there is a relation between steel, tempering and angle, but I can presume that razors original shape was made to give the best shave possible.

After you see couple of hundred razors you'll know that's not the case. Neither do current production razors have the geometry tolerances you're assuming.
So basically your assumptions are wrong hence the conclusions you're making based on them are incorrect as well.

Originally Posted by Bbr6704

Gssixgun,

I can understand your answer, and I can understand that a piece of tape won't change the angle a lot when used on a blade in good condition (because tape is very thin). But when it's used on an old damged balde, that's, IMO different.

But it's easy to see it changes the angle as you create a secondary bevel with unicot. I'm not conviced of the interst of this...


And I also know there are different razors, with different angles, but also with different steels and tempering process (hope these are the right terms?...) : so, I haven't got enough knowledge to know if there is a relation between steel, tempering and angle, but I can presume that razors original shape was made to give the best shave possible.

And as the spine and edge are made of the same steel (except maybie on a frameback), I guess they have the same hardnees, if you don't use pressure on the blade, or using a little pressure, but on the entire blade, not only on the edge.

And for example, the smaller is the angle of a blade, the more it will cut but will be fragile ( a razor for exemple). On the opposite, the bigger is the angle, the more it will be strong but will cut less (an axe for exemple).

Of course, and I don't mean that, changing your angle won't change your razor to an axe, but I'm convinced that it can change the razor's abilities.

And I'm not sure tape makes honing easier, it makes it faster, but honing without tape isn't harder...

Well, of course, that won't change my razors, as I don't use tape, and I don't mind if other use tape, as I don't shave with their razors, but I just wanted to share informations I've got, don't mind if you don't agree, I don't pretend to get the one and only truth...

Best wihses.

And of course, have a nice day and a nice shave!

Please don't take this thread off topic with this tape dicission there are 100's of threads all over the honing section, please go read them...
The Tape - vs - No Tape topic has been dicussed until we have all bled red from our finger tips...

What we are telling you is the your science is bunk, not that taping or not taping is right or wrong...