Thread: Can this be honed out?

I got really confuse

Originally Posted by cpcohen1945

Sharpening a frowning edge on a narrow stone isn't difficult. Sharpening a frowning edge on a wide stone (like a Norton bench stone), is not straightforward.

I think the frowns developed because people were using narrow hones.

usually result not using flat hones.

With a barber hone, it's easy to "accidentally" take more metal off the center of the blade, than off the ends. The razor shaves OK, and the barber keeps honing it unevenly until a real frown develops.

i have no idea what are you trying to say in above statement? why barber hones are any different from rest of the similar wide size stones?

And then he says "Uh-oh, I need a new razor", and the frowning blade goes in his "old razor" drawer, and 50 years later one of us buys it on eBay!

. . . Charles

PS -- at least, it _could_ have happened like that!<g>

Sham --

I think most barber hones are narrower than most blades. So it is easy to hone badly -- to take more metal off the middle of the blade, than off the toe and heel. If you use a "straight stroke" instead of X-stroke, that will probably happen.

What _I_ don't understand is why honing "straight up and down" on a flat hone should result in a frown, _if the hone is wider than the blade_. Since GsSixgun knows way more than I do, I'll let him explain it. [Putting a finger on the middle of the blade, and honing straight up and down -- _that_ will cause a frown for sure!]

I think I am out of my depth -- too many ideas, and not enough experience.

Charles

Cahrles you will see very rare someone uses barber hones up and down. usually it is x strokes.
while someone makes x strokes we had many people asked why heel of the blade almost doesn't stay in the stone long enough to be honed?
In reality if you hone blade correctly buy using x strokes your blade will have double smile.
Meaning heel and toe will honed more then middle.
i am not sure what Glen said (about putting finger in the middle of the blade)but if you put your finger in the middle of the blade and use some pressure and start to making up and down strokes in perfectly flat stone your blade will end up getting frown.
Because you are pushing down in the middle of the blade and tip and heel will left off from the stone(this is a little dramatic) . This will end up making frown. middle of the blade will hone more then rest of the blade.
If someone uses finger to put in the middle of the blade it has to be done without any pressure at all.
Just to help keep the blade flat enough on the stone.
hope this helps.

When I've seen frowns it's always struck me that many of the blades seem to originate from the point in the twentieth century where pastes were developed. Is it possible that they are the result of continuous sharpening on a narrow pasted strop?

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

i am not sure what Glen said (about putting finger in the middle of the blade)but if you put your finger in the middle of the blade and use some pressure and start to making up and down strokes in perfectly flat stone your blade will end up getting frown.
Because you are pushing down in the middle of the blade and tip and heel will left off from the stone(this is a little dramatic) . This will end up making frown. middle of the blade will hone more then rest of the blade.
If someone uses finger to put in the middle of the blade it has to be done without any pressure at all.
Just to help keep the blade flat enough on the stone.
hope this helps.

That is exactly what I meant Sham,,
That finger is pressure for most people...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is exactly what I meant Sham,,
That finger is pressure for most people...

then we are in good shape.
I am hoping this Narrow stones, paste makes frown is not your idea

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

I am hoping this Narrow stones, paste makes frown is not your idea

Surely that was never the idea. The misuse of a sharpening medium makes frowns. I only post this because a very interesting thread seems to have died.

I can give an update. Glen doesn't know it yet, but I'm planning on sending it to him when I get the scales done. I have to find a little peining hammer, hopefully locally, before I get the scales finished.

Originally Posted by medicevans

I can give an update. Glen doesn't know it yet, but I'm planning on sending it to him when I get the scales done. I have to find a little peining hammer, hopefully locally, before I get the scales finished.

Make sure you cal Glen sooner rather than later. I don't know his workload, but from experience I can tell you he's... busy, for lack of a better word.