Thread: My d&$@ boker

Originally Posted by Gamma

Gssixgun - question;
If the blade is warped, how does angling or positioning the heel forward (to the toe) keep the entire blade in contact with the stone?

I can give you an explanation. When you angle the razor, along with x-stroke you are effectively honing more 'along the edge', close to having the razor perpendicular to the hone and just pulling it across. Of course you're using primarily the edge of the hone to go along the bevel. The advantage of an angled razor with x-stroke vs. just pulling the razor perpendicular to the hone is that you move the edge across different sections of the hone i.e. fresh honing surface throughout the stroke.

The thing with curvature on the edge no matter if due to warp or smile is that you have to hone it one point at a time, as the hones are generally flat, and thus cannot be in contact with more than one point of the edge at the same time. That's just basic geometry.
So that angled x-stroke is the best solution to draw the whole razor's edge across the edge of the hone (the hone edge is the only thing that can do the the concave side).

I guess that may be more explanation than you wanted, but that's really why it works as well as it does.

I just scanned most of the replies and I didn't see much about the stones used, have you tested them for flat? An ever so slight dip in a stone can give you fits in the middle of a blade.

So I'll need to do nothing ur heal foward strokes to hone this specific razor

Originally Posted by Tylerbrycen

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No !!! You have to even that out... once it is even then the edge will even up

Either straighten the edge out, or smooth up the smile
Also we can't see the spine very well to tell what is going on with that..

Originally Posted by gugi

I can give you an explanation. When you angle the razor, along with x-stroke you are effectively honing more 'along the edge', close to having the razor perpendicular to the hone and just pulling it across. Of course you're using primarily the edge of the hone to go along the bevel. The advantage of an angled razor with x-stroke vs. just pulling the razor perpendicular to the hone is that you move the edge across different sections of the hone i.e. fresh honing surface throughout the stroke.

The thing with curvature on the edge no matter if due to warp or smile is that you have to hone it one point at a time, as the hones are generally flat, and thus cannot be in contact with more than one point of the edge at the same time. That's just basic geometry.
So that angled x-stroke is the best solution to draw the whole razor's edge across the edge of the hone (the hone edge is the only thing that can do the the concave side).

I guess that may be more explanation than you wanted, but that's really why it works as well as it does.

Hey, thanks. Actually - it's not more explanation than I wanted. Basically, you've just reinforced what Glen and Lynn have already said, and which is basically what I have found to work in my own honing experiences.
You just wrote it a different way and that's always appreciated - I don't always understand everything everyone puts down in these little boxes.

There are some pics of the spine hope that helps

Originally Posted by Tylerbrycen

There are some pics of the spine hope that helps

I really think if you correct the wavy in the edge, that you should be OK. Why don't you let me know if you have some time this week and I'll get on Skype and see if we can't help you out. The blade really doesn't look that bad and should not take a ton of work to get shavable beyond just going through the learning experience and not over thinking or overdoing each step.

Have fun

oh snap! I'd take Lynn up on that offer in a heartbeat if I were you, Tyler. From looking at the other pics, you've definitely got a wave going on. I have no idea what the issue is, but you'll probably learn more about fixing blades in 10 minutes talking to Lynn than you would in a month of working on it yourself.