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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebenholz View Post
    Appreciated peoples sugestion for natural stones but a bit scared to open that pandoras box just yet so will stay clear for now.

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    Thanks Lynn. your comments pretty much helped me decide on the Naniwa Super 12k then I discovered the Shapton Glass - could perhaps run to their 16k but think the wife might hit the roof at the cost of the 30k. How would you rate the 16k Shapton Glass vs the 12k naniwa super?
    From a result standpoint, the Naniwa SS 12K, Sigma 13K and the Shapton Glass 16K produce similar results. I find each to be an excellent finisher. The biggest difference are in the feel and feedback with the Naniwa SS being the softest feeling stone and the Shapton Glass feeling the hardest. I have always felt that the Naniwa SS stones were made for straight razors. Can't go wrong with any of these stones.
    Lynn is once again right on the money. Only one thing to add:
    The Shapton GS 30k is one nice stone, but one you will never need from a shaving standpoint.
    Do not get me wrong, the 30k is by far my most beloved finisher. But it will not give you anything you cannot achieve with a solid 8.000 grit stone and a fine felt/leatehr/balsa strop with a fine finishing compound, or a 12k Naniwa or 16k Shapton. The Shapton 30k just adds that last 5% for those who are completely nuts. Just like me!
    So you won't have to take the price of the 30k into consideration when chosing between the Naniwa, or Shapton system

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    Ebenholz

    I agree the 12k Naniwa SS is your best choice of the selection given. Yes, you can buy other finishing stones in smaller sizes for about the same money.

    But if you are new to straight razor honing I recommend the longest & widest stone for the money all other things being equal. Razor honing is different than knife and wood working tool honing. Many of the skill sets will translate and you are probably miles ahead of a complete honing novice. The more variables you can eliminate and build consistency in your honing stroke the faster you will see repeatable, quality results. A large flat surface gives you that.

    When I first started collecting stones it was to hone woodworking edges. I found especially with manmade stones, it is easier to have dedicated stones for each application. I do not sharpen razors on stones I use for woodworking. Now you can, you just have to prep the stone each time you switch.

    I have found I tend to use more pressure with a woodworking tool and cause the tool to furl or plow the soft stones ever so slightly. Uncorrected this will give you an inconsistent razor edge or microscopically fracture your edge and make you crazy.

    I have found it easier to have dedicated stones for each task, Razors, Woodworking tools, & Knives. Yes, I do not know exactly how many stones I have… your point is?

    My advice is buy combo stones, great values at the price and keep them separate. For wood working I do 1, 4, 8K & finish on Black or Translucent Arks, then a few strokes on Chrome Ox on a Leather paddle. Probably over kill, an 8k finish is really plenty for most woodwork.

    As far as the softness of the Naniwa 12K and speed of cut, not an issue as a finisher you should not be doing that many laps. If you are then you did not hone correctly. Your razor should be sharp at 1K, across the whole blade, I test 3 places, toe, center & heel before progressing to the next stone. Once you set the bevel at 1K it is sharp, each progression is just refining the edge. I test at each progression to make sure I didn’t bugger it up.

    Years ago as a kid I spent a summer working for a Painter, this guy could lay down more flat shinny paint with a brush that most could with a gun & compressor. He always said “98% of painting is preparation. I don’t care how much paint you put on it, if the surface is not prepped correctly, the finish… will never look good.” Funny how so many things are like that.
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    yes, this Naniwas Stones ist the best for Razors. in Germany the best combination is 8000 corma and 10000 Naniwa. But you need the white stone for cleaning.
    Here
    it is important.
    after 30 round you open the stone. three times wipe the stone.

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    thanks for a great post, very helpful. like your idea of keeping separate stones for woodworking tools, knives and razors.


    Made the purchase today of 12k ss so now sit back and wait for the mailman (might take awhile as I live in NZ.

    I have just started dabling in commercial knife sharpening as a hobby and can see that I will tend towards diamond
    sstones for the coarse grits of that purely for speed and convenience. I have a DMT 220/325 10 inch and today added ..
    aa 600 / 1200 of the same in 8 inch. Will probably double up knife and wood tool finishing on Norton 4k / 8k and build up razor stones as a separate collection. I have a 1k Bester near new and might get another 4k 8k for the razors.
    Thanks for your help
    Adam

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    is the Bester the IMANISHI Bester? this is a wonderful Stone for Razors. For the cremeslurry.

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    yes, forgot the makers name and it isn't on the box on English. Seems a nice quick cutter.

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