Thread: Should an edge of a 1k after the bevel set pop hairs?

As you are setting your bevel, if it is properly set should it actually pop the hair or just shave a little of the arm. I can get my finished product to pop hairs holding the blade above the skin not touching the skin at all, but I cannot get it to that point off the 1k stone. I can get it to shave and grab my thumb but it won't "pop" hairs. Also can someone post a pic of this magnification scope at radio shack? And lastly are there any pictures here of what a properly set bevel should look like under magnification.

I think maybe a person's hair type affects this. I've had two razors both honed by very experienced guys this week, and neither can pop off my arm hair in this way.

Try the wet thumbnail test instead. This is a better indicator, IMO, of whether you've got a good bevel.

This one looks like a good one to read. http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...nail-test.html

How some describe the cutting action is what I think may be confusing you. If the bevel is set the razor will easily cut arm hair. The hair doesn't need to pop with no effort. It just has to cut the hair, however the better the razor can preform at 1k the less you have to do latter. Of course the more you work at 1k the more metal has been removed.

This is the same model as mine except that I modified mine. Here is a amazon search that will list many options, 60X-100X LED Lighted Pocket Microscope.

The TNT is slightly destructive to the edge, but very useful, just do a few more laps to compensate after it passes the TNT. The scope is most useful when you do not want to damage the edge or are doing the LRT at 8k and higher.

The learning curves do smooth out.

Jonathan

I don't use arm hair testing, never got much out of it. I check bevels visually with a bright light and a 10X loupe.

Actually a well set 1k bevel will shave... having said that way too many times

Some of the guys took that statement to task

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...-1k-shave.html

Once you realize that 90% of honing is in the bevel set life gets really easy, try a 1k shave try a 4k shave and try the 8k shave feel the differences.. After 8k it is all just icing

Keep in mind the using Micron measurements you get to the hair cuting edge at about .50 Microns the sharpest edge measured on a razor that I have read about is .38 microns so from the bevel set to the best magical virgin thigh stropping sharpness is a tiny .12 microns.. That is a pretty darn small difference

(Grit references are just there to show the stages of honing Bevel, Sharpen, Polish, Finish)

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Keep in mind the using Micron measurements you get to the hair cuting edge at about .50 Microns the sharpest edge measured on a razor that I have read about is .38 microns so from the bevel set to the best magical virgin thigh stropping sharpness is a tiny .12 microns.. That is a pretty darn small difference

(Grit references are just there to show the stages of honing Bevel, Sharpen, Polish, Finish)

I am curious about the source of these measurements. Do you recall where they are from?
I have been looking at both DE blades and my own attempts at honing a straight and these numbers seem a bit high from what I have seen.

See, for example: genco_hht_06 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
-this edge was maybe HHT3.

A properly set bevel can pop arm hair, or in my case leg hair at skin level. This has been my experience.

Originally Posted by fuzzychops

I am curious about the source of these measurements. Do you recall where they are from?
I have been looking at both DE blades and my own attempts at honing a straight and these numbers seem a bit high from what I have seen.

See, for example: genco_hht_06 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
-this edge was maybe HHT3.

Search out the Verhoeven (sp) papers they are linked on SRP about a million times

That is some really good Micro Photography you have... some of the best I have seen

Glen, many of the links (perhaps all) to the Verhoeven paper are broken and the original paper seems to have been pulled from the face of the earth.

However some clever searching will uncover a paper on his later work which seems to have changed his previous findings on a few things. Good stuff, and IIRC your numbers are close, but a tenth of a micron sounds small...but the razor sure seems to perform a lot differently if you add or subtract a small fraction of a micron