I've only seen either in pics on the internet, so I'll take your word on it. I've never used a traditional/vintage safety razor, either. Got half a dozen that I need to clean up & get a variety of blades to try in them lol. Less than $20 for them, so I guess I can't complain about them still being caked in stubble & cobwebs lol.

I'm rambling now. Time for sleep.